[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'T')his is about class envy, not real poverty.

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'T')his is about class envy, not real poverty.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'T')his is about class envy, not real poverty.

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'S')o you envy the upper class?

[Shaved Monkey]

[AdTheNad]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '[')I know that their wealth trickles down to me.

[Pops]

[quote="Shaved Monkey"]/quote]

HaHA! That cracked me up!

[Ibon]

Parasites must walk the fine line of weakening their hosts just enough for them to survive but not killing them off. The only parasites we know of today are those that do just that. We are not familiar with those aggressive parasites that killed of their hosts for they too are gone.

The elite need a lesson in parasitology.

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'P')arasites must walk the fine line of weakening their hosts just enough for them to survive but not killing them off. The only parasites we know of today are those that do just that. We are not familiar with those aggressive parasites that killed of their hosts for they too are gone.

The elite need a lesson in parasitology.

[vision-master]

Why does one need wealthly ppl to create jobs? This sounds like paying 'the victim' to me?

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'W')hy does one need wealthly ppl to create jobs? This sounds like paying 'the victim' to me?

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nless you want to go back to a medieval economy where we all performed in menial trade occupations, then yeah we need the mega-trillions that the capitalists have to invest.

[prajeshbhat]

I guess the problem is that the system has made too many promises it can never keep. It is true that the poor in USA are living in luxury compared to the African or Indian poor. But they still don't have as much as they were promised! There will never be enough. And Nobody wants to be a part of a system that doesn't promise perpetual growth. it's a vicious circle.
The last high authority figure who tried to tell them that there are limits was President Jimmy Carter. But people didn't want to hear that.

[Pops]

The unfortunate thing is that people aren't all exactly alike. Me, I'm tall, good looking and smart (not to mention white and American and born at the Peak) but not everyone is so lucky.

That's only partly tongue in cheek. I mean, I feel pity for the people who just can't help but be more interested in love or dope than getting an education and making money, mainly because I have a strong tendency in those directions myself. Some folks just aren't designed to do calculus and figure out the scam, the problem of course is that the way the system is headed there simply isn't any place for people who can't keep up.

Lots of the same people who yell out the window to get a job would be on the streets as well if they were just starting out today. I've had a couple jobs that if I had stayed long enough to be fired, in this environment, my goose would be cooked.

[Pops]

Actually thinking about how some people just naturally seem wired to make money I'm reminded of my old partner, a great guy, church going guy, but he his first take on every deal always seemed to be the crooked angle or at least the quickest profit regardless of actual value. I would be actually surprised when he'd say "we could do so and so..." and kinda chuckle and say "naw". I think he wasn't trying to come up with a scam, it just happened naturally. I couldn't have thought of the things he thought of if I'd set my mind to it! He never made a dishonest deal - that I know of anyway, but it was really instructive to me because I didn't think being ... creative ... in that way was innate. It was with him.

[dinternet]

I love helping people. One area that I want to help the most in is poverty. I've thought of a company that will provide homeless people with a place to stay until they are employed and able to support themselves financially. The goal would be to improve and help those who are homeless get back on the right track.They would be "dumpster living". Meaning that instead of paying monthly rent, when employed they can save the money they earn. The dumpsters would be fixed up; have light, a place to sleep, and provide warmth, etc. Hopefully by the 3rd month passes, the group of people are financially stable, then they would leave and the next group of homeless people would come in. And the process will cycle. But my question is, can this business come to life? If so, where will the income come from? Is this an absurd idea? What do you all think about this? Opinions are much needed. Thanks.

[Ferretlover]

Ever heard the saying, "No good deed goes unpunished." ?
Sounds like another program/idea/plan to create more dependents (ie: people with no skills and no inclination to do anything but collect handouts).

[SeaGypsy]

I don't know what rock dinternet has been hiding under, as I have been all over Australia many times and much of it recently: there are homeless shelters in every capital city and in most large country towns. They are usually run by church based charity organizations with a few start up NGO secularist business entrants in the big capitals/ Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. These places are very complex businesses which rely on complex government grant procedures to get up. Part of the application process is proving how your plan can get people out of the homelessness trap. Staffing them is a nightmare, costs are huge, if any profit is left it might be as much as a wage.

If you are at all serious dinternet, google up homeless help services in your area and go volunteer in one. Get to know some people who work in the sector. It looks simple enough, but there are major paperwork demands and mandatory minimum qualifications for carrying out procedures. If you happen to be somewhere withan unmet need, you may find that local church groups and Apex/ Rotary/ RSL might help; but they will want to see more from you than rosie eyed enthusiasm.
PS: talk to your local government before putting any energy into such an idea. Best to do this face to face at a meeting of council. You do not want to waste your (and everyone else's) time with collecting funds etc. if your council is fundamentally antagonistic to your concept. Also the Fed and State governments will not fund above 50% of anything like what you are talking about and they will want to see planning proposals with council preliminary support at minimum.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'I') don't know what rock dinternet has been hiding under, as I have been all over Australia many times and much of it recently: there are homeless shelters in every capital city and in most large country towns. They are usually run by church based charity organizations with a few start up NGO secularist business entrants in the big capitals/ Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. These places are very complex businesses which rely on complex government grant procedures to get up. Part of the application process is proving how your plan can get people out of the homelessness trap. Staffing them is a nightmare, costs are huge, if any profit is left it might be as much as a wage.

[FairMaiden]

Homless shelters are roof overheard and not much else. You can't use a shelter address on your resume or provide a phone # for the interview call. It's more difficult to climb out of that hole (not impossibe but I suspect if you were very capable you wouldn't find yourself there). Even gov't subsidizes housing here is subsidized to 25% of your income (including a welfare check) but the lines are so long the only ones getting in are single parents. We also have housing projects for women of domestic violence where you can go and have a suite for free (initially - you'll be expected to start collecting welfare or get a job). I'm pretty up on gov't housing as I work for gov - and I don't know of any gov't sponsored or low income housing project for the homeless guy w/no family. Usually if they are lucky, they'll find a weekly rental room near skid row...but that address is not going to get you a job...or even a clean shower as the washroom shared by 15 residents is often out of order...