[vision-master]

The Europeans caused this 'welfare' problem.

[Cog]

Its called the White Man's Burden for good reason.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'T')ypical anti-American, anti-Israel UN scum. They turn the other way when Syria is butchering their own people in 2012, but call America on the carpet for crimes committed 150 years ago.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'M')ost people who live and work in these remote areas (including the vast majority of senior elders, believe there is way too much welfare (whether in the form of social security payments or royalties); and that these act as a severe disincentive to productive activity by younger folk.

[SeaGypsy]

Tell that one to the UN.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I')f they want some land, they can pay for it like the rest of us.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I')f they want some land, they can pay for it like the rest of us.

[SeaGypsy]

A tiny lot in Melbourne's cheapest suburb, with nothing on it would set me back $200k. If I were 1/16th aboriginal (I probably am, just can't prove it), I would get priority government housing capped at 25% of my income. So maybe my grandad did well, and his grandad better, but it's a rip off. My family worked themselves to the bone for 9 generations, not to sit under a tree drinking spouting 'this is my land' but to have a life with options for our children. Land ownership is a huge rort.

PS, my original Aussie ancestor was an Irish potatoe famine survivor who had lost to starvation 205 of 216 people in his village.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')PS, my original Aussie ancestor was an Irish potatoe famine survivor who had lost to starvation 205 of 216 people in his village.

[SeaGypsy]

Shows how much you know about down under. Until about 1880's the vast majority of immigration was not just white, but male. Men outnumbered women by 8/1 in 1850 and 6/1 in 1885. Equity didn't come until well into the 20th century. On top of that, 95% of migration before 1880 was convict labor, with the 5% being mostly military, only about 2% were free settlers in the early part, with this going up during gold rushes/ again all male. The aboriginals did not have this shortage of women. My family has been here since 1828. Statistically alone this means there is an over 98% chance of Indigenous blood. My free settler Irish ancestor on mother's side was 'granted' 10 square miles 25 miles from Melbourne in 1832.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'I') don't see any evidence of Native Americans "fighting back" to gain all this land. They seem to be mostly happy with their situation or chronically alcoholic. A bit hard to organize when you're falling down drunk all the time.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')hey want to return lost lands to lost peoples; here is one for you, North Africa and the Middle East were Christian 600 years before they were Muslim.

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'I') don't see any evidence of Native Americans "fighting back" to gain all this land. They seem to be mostly happy with their situation or chronically alcoholic. A bit hard to organize when you're falling down drunk all the time.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'T')hey want to return lost lands to lost peoples; here is one for you, North Africa and the Middle East were Christian 600 years before they were Muslim.

[mtn_chief]

I see many still cling to stereotypes ... The US should honor its treaties. Congress over turned many Treaties that were negotiated on good faith yet once The we took it fair n squares got theirs the tribes got nothing ... These billions the tribes supposedly got has been stolen misused by the Tribes US appointed agents and agencies ..... go ahead cling to them stereotypes ... beat your chest you took it

[SeaGypsy]

I call the Indigenous areas of Australia (where I have lived and worked for many years) the Lawyer's picnic. Lawyers and agencies accumulate the bulk of indigenous funding. But there is the rub- accumulation. This trait seems very strong in some cultures, weak in others. The more nomadic and more recent the de- originalization the more likely this is not an accumulative culture.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/596549/thumbs/s-MT-RUSHMORE-UN-large.jpg[/img]

Mt. Rushmore Site Should Be Returned To Indigenous Native American Tribes, U.N. Official Says

South Dakota's Black Hills, home to the granite faces carved into Mt. Rushmore, should be restored as Native American tribal lands, a United Nations official recently said.

James Anaya, a U.N. special rapporteur on the rights of indigenous people, completed a fact-finding mission on Friday that included meetings with a number of Native American tribal leaders as well as White House officials. His investigation led him to suggest that the United States take additional steps to repair the nation's legacy of oppression against Native Americans. He'll officially propose the plan in an upcoming report. From the Associated Press:

Anaya said land restoration would help bring about reconciliation. He named the Black Hills as an example. He said restoring to indigenous people what they have a legitimate claim to can be done in a way that is not divisive "so that the Black Hills, for example, isn't just a reminder of the subordination and domination of indigenous peoples in that country."

The Black Hills, home to Mount Rushmore, are public land but are considered sacred by the Sioux tribes. The Sioux have refused to accept money awarded in a 1980 U.S. Supreme Court decision and have sought return of the land. The Black Hills and other lands were set aside for the Sioux in an 1868 treaty. But Congress passed a law in 1877 taking the land.

According to Anaya, handing over these lands would be a key step toward repairing relations with the indigenous people who once controlled them. It would also further the nation's compliance with the U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, a measure that President Barack Obama endorsed in 2010, reversing a previous vote.

"I have heard stories that make evident the profound hurt that indigenous peoples continue to feel because of the history of oppression they have faced," Anaya said Friday in a statement issued by the U.N. human rights office in Geneva.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/07/mt-rushmore-un-report-james-anaya_n_1496120.html

[radon]

At least you can have a taste of some alien coming over and taking the position of the supreme judge and starting to lecture and condemn you on various "human rights violations" - numerous US-sponsored outlets are constantly doing this sort of stuff all over the world.

Having said that, this UN initiative should hardly be taken seriously. Most likely, it has some powerful state-sponsors occupying important UN seats, these sponsors are unlikely to be based in Western Europe, and the initiative is directed at countering similar US-instigated endeavors in Eurasia and elsewhere. Simply playing politics. Forget it.