[ralfy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'P')eak Oil is merely innocent speculation and ideations on what the future in Energy will be. There have been many failed predictions, like in 2005, when members were convinced by 2010 our national grid wouldn't be functional. Although those who predicted a plateau during the 0's with recessions caused by high oil prices (Which is due to a slue of factors) may still me proven right, Perhaps this happenstance (managed decline) will play out over many decades.

[sparky]

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a colapse of international trade would see more local manufacturing of nescessities
as for a die off , yes of course
but the poor non food producing countries would be hit the hardest

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'P')eak Oil is merely innocent speculation and ideations on what the future in Energy will be. There have been many failed predictions, like in 2005, when members were convinced by 2010 our national grid wouldn't be functional. Although those who predicted a plateau during the 0's with recessions caused by high oil prices (Which is due to a slue of factors) may still me proven right, Perhaps this happenstance (managed decline) will play out over many decades.

[rangerone314]

The site did not define taxpayers, but math-wise it comes out to 113 million taxpayers.

[Frank]

I've been a member for quite a few years also (late-2004) and although I've been following "energy" trends for 30 years I always think of Devil's position (remember him?). This was that although Peak Oil is captivating, the substantive issue in front of us is global warming/climate change. Mankind is rapidly and irreversibly changing the planet we live on. This is the real issue, not whether or not a few more years of liquid hydrocarbon production will extend the ride or not.

In the context of history, 10 or 20 years or a few generations is NOTHING!

[spot5050]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('babystrangeloop', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', 'F')usion could potentially keep human civilization going till long after the sun has stopped burning.

[meemoe_uk]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'R')ead "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed" by Jared Diamond or "Collapse of Complex Societies" by Joseph Tainter and get back to me about how unlikely it is for civilization to suddenly hit a tipping point and go off the edge into collapse.

The thing to keep in mind, is that to most people, everything seems fine, until suddenly it is not.

[meemoe_uk]

>got evidence for that ridiculous assertion?
Sure, just dare to step outside of doomer fantasy land and google 'easter island myth' , there's plenty of academics who dispute Jared's doom story. It's just you've ignored them for years, so you've forgotten they are there.

>what will replace agricultural phosphorus?
Why do we need to replace that? I don't want to replace it.

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('meemoe_uk', ' ')- It's 0% chance that modern civilization will hit some self induced tipping point from over explotation of resources. Any percieved crisis will be planned and self imposed, like the rwandan civil war and genocide - which was artifically setup to happen.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'T')ime to get this party started! Myself, I dont buy into that premise. Mankind is stupid enough that we dont need help killing each other.

[meemoe_uk]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'A')sk me nicely and I will tell you to go FOAD "

[SeaGypsy]

Any more of that Fantabulous Orific Aromatic Deliciousness spare Pstarr?

Memoe, if your genocidal mania view was correct, why only a few thousand dead in each of the Arab Spring uprisings? Why did the tanks etc. not just blast the crowds to bits?

[meemoe_uk]

>Memoe, if your genocidal mania view was correct, why only a few thousand dead in each of the Arab Spring uprisings?
Not every destablization is designed to incorparate genocide.
TPTB induce genocides for specific reasons.

Here's one reason...
As people on these doom forums like to say, over population causes poverty, an over supply in people vs under supply in jobs and resources. Poverty is useful to TBTB so they like to keep societies in poverty. Since impoverished societies tend also to have high population growth rates*, the overpopulation problem escalates; positive feedback.
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... ic_paradox
At a certain point this growth has to be stopped, either by mass starvation or a civil war.

Most of the Arab countries involved in the spring unrisings don't have high enough populations to invoke the above reason.
The amount of genocide in Iraq is high though, well over 1 million killed since the 2003 US led invasion.

[Revi]

I was a member back in 2003, and I think we are seeing a lot of the problems associated with peak oil now. We're right on schedule. From here on in it gets interesting.

[gnm]

What He said... Sure its taking a long time and not subscribing to some sort of doomer collapse fantasy but the grind down has definitely begun...

-G

[Lore]

Most of the fast crash crowd has left here. This is not a video game. Serious prognosticators understand that de-evolution takes a long time relative to the individual human experience.

[AirlinePilot]

meemoe,

Did he actually tell you to FOAD? I dont recall you asking him nicely. I did see that though..its right up to the line we are trying to hold.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') think we are seeing a lot of the problems associated with peak oil now. We're right on schedule. From here on in it gets interesting.