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Homeowners could be sued in Trayvon Martin case
Re: Homeowners could be sued in Trayvon Martin case
by Plantagenet » Sat 21 Apr 2012, 19:12:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', ' ')The state will spend a million dollars conducting a show trial to appease the above mentioned factions and then will release Zimmerman.
If Zimmerman is acquited the protests will start up again, but even worse. The protests will be led by two important figures in the democratic party--both black and both former candidates for the democratic presidential nomination--- Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson --- . The crowds will return in Florida and elsewhere, dressed in hoodies and carrying skittles and chanting "no justice no peace." Obama may even claim again that if he had ever had a son, that son would look just like Trayvon.
Eric Holder already directed the FBI to do a civil rights investigation of Zimmerman and its highly likely there will be federal civil rights charges brought against Zimmerman if the state trail ends in acquital.
Al Sharpton, democratic party activist, MSNBC bloviator, and organizer of pro-Trayvon demonstrations
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Re: Homeowners could be sued in Trayvon Martin case
by Fiddlerdave » Sat 21 Apr 2012, 19:19:40
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')ixstrings is being obtuse about something the law makes clear distinctions about. In a mutual fight where both parties beat on each other as in a bar fight, the officers are going to arrest both parties for disturbing the peace/assualt or both. If someone dies as the result of this mutual combat, the other party is going to get charged with manslaughter
When someone jumps on you and starts beating on you, there is no mutual combat and the aggressor is the one charged with a crime. Martin, by all available evidence attacked Zimmerman and proceeded to beat him and slam his head against the sidewalk. At that point, Martin can not claim self-defense and Zimmerman's right to self-defense is enhanced to include lethal force to stop such an attack. That is black letter law. The race-baiters can't seem to get their head around the fact that self-defense laws are written specifically to terminate the right of an aggressor to an affirmative defense of self-defense.
Too bad stalking is aggression. When someone jumps on you and starts beating on you, there is no mutual combat and the aggressor is the one charged with a crime. Martin, by all available evidence attacked Zimmerman and proceeded to beat him and slam his head against the sidewalk. At that point, Martin can not claim self-defense and Zimmerman's right to self-defense is enhanced to include lethal force to stop such an attack. That is black letter law. The race-baiters can't seem to get their head around the fact that self-defense laws are written specifically to terminate the right of an aggressor to an affirmative defense of self-defense.
And the evidence points to Zimmerman confronting Martin as the end of that stalking, if we go by the gf's story.
Martin had every right to try to defend himself against Zimmerman.
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Re: Homeowners could be sued in Trayvon Martin case
by Sixstrings » Sat 21 Apr 2012, 20:00:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I')f I hit everyone that followed me or thought I was suspicious and said something nasty, I would spend my entire life in jail, not to mention my knuckles would always be bloody and cut up; which is actually quite unpleasant.
I'm just asking that you put yourself in Trayvon's shoes. He's walking down the street.. there's a car tailing him.. at some point Zimmerman gets out and follows him on foot. Presumably, Trayvon probably did what I've done in sketchy situations you change directions see if the person is still following you.
If they're still following, maybe you run -- isn't that what Trayvon did? It's on the 911 tape I think, "he's running now" then "are you following him we don't need you to do that."
Look Agent, hasn't happened to me often but I can remember once some guy was following me when I was out walking. It was scary. Don't know what the deal was, I can only assuming mugging. I went into a bar, public space, and just stayed for a while.
I don't care what the letter of the law says, this is human nature, you can go to just about any corner of this planet and if you start following a stranger they are going to feel threatened by that. Zimmerman was behaving and carrying himself like a cop, that was his mindset, yet without a badge and uniform that's a threatening demeanor coming from a stranger stalking you out in public. This is just basic psychologically it's gut-level, we all know the difference between someone walking down the street with us vs. being stalked.
Maybe Trayvon should have called the police. Maybe being black he's cautious about calling the cops. Maybe he's just 17 and didn't know what to do, was just scared this white guy was stalking him and Zimmerman wouldn't say why other than "what are you doing around here."
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')heck FBI crime stats. Fist&Feet is a pretty lethal category, and Zimmerman suffered exactly the same kind of attack that often leads to death or permanent brain injury. You can not hit people in the head and not risk killing them.
I get what you're saying there ^^, but Agent come on, just everyday life experience you surely know how common fights are. People don't die in the fistfights as commonly as when guns get involved.
I've seen many barfights, I can't remember any where a gun would have made it better. There are domestic fights in families all the time, it's one of the top calls out for law enforcement. Introducing guns into these fights is not a good idea. Anyone can say they feel threatened in a fight. I agree with self defense but there's just some difference here between being randomly attacked versus looking for a fight.
From what I've read, "stand your ground" hasn't protected anyone the law is just being used by gang members and people pulling guns in barfights.
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