$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'I') spent this evening cleaning house and listening to old tunes from the 60's, 70's an 80''s; the thought occured to me why has there really been nothing signifigant since?
I'm sick of 20 years of rap, hip hop, and indie music. What happened to rock and roll? Why can't they make good music anymore? Something with a melody and that is pleasant to listen to. Flash your bellybutton and do a dance number is not the same as the quality talent from years past. Even Led Zepplin has a song called 'the song remains the same', knothing could be more true, once you've heard it 500 times you lose interest.
The same for Television; why are there no quality shows like Barney Miller, all in the family, canon, or Miami vice on? Reality tv is crap, I don't even watch the news anymore because I know it is all censored propoganda. My favorite TV show was 'Dead like me' which ran 2002-2004, and was cancelled. Why even own a tv anymore?
An occasional movie still touches me like the recent 'hunger games' movie did, or the film 'rent' from a few years back. But where are the culturally altering drama's like Flashdance, Rocky, Saturday night fever, that everyone knew about and altered our collective culture??
Anyone older that 40 has lived through a cultural death of our society at large. I'm bored to death of rap, formula movies, sit coms and other crap. What did our collective society lose around 1990 that caused this social decline and death to occur? More importantly; when will real culture reemerge from the ashes?(God I miss the 80's)
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Re: Cultural death
by The Practician » Sat 07 Apr 2012, 16:25:56
Oh, I don't know, maybe the fact that the people with actual power in society started to consist more and more of people of your own spoiled, worthless generation? This is a joke right?
Viva la Culture death!
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Re: Cultural death
by vision-master » Sat 07 Apr 2012, 18:07:57
Sounds like another brainwashed youth of today?
How old are you 'The Practician'?
"OMFG MIADINE BEASZT EVAER!! FLACK OFF!!!!"
How old are you 'The Practician'?
"OMFG MIADINE BEASZT EVAER!! FLACK OFF!!!!"
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Re: Cultural death
by Loki » Sat 07 Apr 2012, 20:19:43
As far as I'm concerned American music peaked with ragtime, and cinema peaked with silent movies. Been downhill from there. 
As others have said, there's plenty of good distractions out there if you look hard enough, but you have to wade through mounds of garbage. As it's always been. MOST of the music from the '60s and '70s was complete shite, we only remember the good stuff because it's had staying power. The rest is in the dustbin of history, where it belongs. Even the '80s had some good music, but I'd hardly call it the pinnacle of human musical achievement.
TV is mostly shit, as it's always been. I watched TV in the '80s, shows I considered entertaining back then as a teenager I wince at today (Knight Rider, A Team, that stupid helicopter show, etc., etc.). There have been some damn fine TV shows in recent years: Arrested Development, Breaking Bad, South Park, Family Guy, Walking Dead, Firefly, 30 Rock, Battlestar Gallactica, Shameless (UK), Rome, The Office.
As for movies, I'd say there are probably more good movies being produced these days than ever before, despite the studios' penchant for remakes and sequels of mediocre blockbusters. Bogart is still my favorite, but even he made some stinkers.
As others have said, there's plenty of good distractions out there if you look hard enough, but you have to wade through mounds of garbage. As it's always been. MOST of the music from the '60s and '70s was complete shite, we only remember the good stuff because it's had staying power. The rest is in the dustbin of history, where it belongs. Even the '80s had some good music, but I'd hardly call it the pinnacle of human musical achievement.
TV is mostly shit, as it's always been. I watched TV in the '80s, shows I considered entertaining back then as a teenager I wince at today (Knight Rider, A Team, that stupid helicopter show, etc., etc.). There have been some damn fine TV shows in recent years: Arrested Development, Breaking Bad, South Park, Family Guy, Walking Dead, Firefly, 30 Rock, Battlestar Gallactica, Shameless (UK), Rome, The Office.
As for movies, I'd say there are probably more good movies being produced these days than ever before, despite the studios' penchant for remakes and sequels of mediocre blockbusters. Bogart is still my favorite, but even he made some stinkers.
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Re: Cultural death
by SeaGypsy » Sat 07 Apr 2012, 20:57:31
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'T')he spirit of Rock abandoned us toneless wonders in North America and moved to Finland.
Put Nightwish Amaranth in your Amazon search.
Put Nightwish Amaranth in your Amazon search.
I think what came out of the 60's, 70's and 80's had much to do with the maturation of multicultural America and the UK, more to do with the availability of pot, then acid, then speed then hybrid amphetamines. Ancient things coming to form new things. That it won't happen again is obvious, there will never again be such a huge melding of cultures or newness of experience of other.
Finland and the more remote parts of Scandanavia generally seem to be where the extreme head bangers call home, which makes sense when you look at Thor/ Odin. North America is slowly becoming an 'Earth Circle' of 'New Conciousness' resembling some remarks made from an Indigenous perspective there, a long time ago. Africa is still the source of all rhythm, Australia a place of vast spacious conceptual exploration as much as physical, Asia is still full of tinkling bells, whistles and whining strings. Romania is said to be the most vivid cultural place west of Istanbul and north of Algiers.
Such a different world to explore than just a decade and a half ago.
Music, sight and sounds from anywhere, at the click of a button.
This background has only begun to exist for the current generation as a natural and a given, they will be the ones to adapt it and they will certainly continue to do amazing things with what they find combined with what they have.
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Re: Cultural death
by WildRose » Sat 07 Apr 2012, 23:03:54
Hey, Repent, do you like any of this recent Canadian talent:
Arkells, Boss is Coming (reminiscent of the 70's, I think):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFrTZe-wQPI
Arcade Fire, Sprawl II:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_7_XRf ... re=related
Shout Out Out Out, Bad Choices (These guys are fun!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJCBLcAY ... re=related
New Pornographers, Bleeding Heart Show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH9Q4fsZ1IY
Arkells, Boss is Coming (reminiscent of the 70's, I think):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFrTZe-wQPI
Arcade Fire, Sprawl II:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_7_XRf ... re=related
Shout Out Out Out, Bad Choices (These guys are fun!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJCBLcAY ... re=related
New Pornographers, Bleeding Heart Show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH9Q4fsZ1IY
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Re: Cultural death
by Narz » Sun 08 Apr 2012, 02:45:51
Pop music sucks but pop music has always mostly sucked. I agree there was some great music out of the 70's (Pink Floyd for instance) but there's alot of good stuff now if you know where to look.
Originality has hardly died out (and thinking it has is hardly original
).
Originality has hardly died out (and thinking it has is hardly original
).“Seek simplicity but distrust it”
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Re: Cultural death
by WildRose » Sun 08 Apr 2012, 03:32:57
My dad introduced me to whatever the music of the day was as I was growing up. That was his thing, the best stereo equipment he could afford, always more important to him than the TV. When I was 3 years old I was listening to the Platters and Elvis Presley, on to the 60's with the first wave of the British invasion and then the psychedelic rock and folk music. Dad listened to Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, the Moody Blues, the Stones, Peter, Paul & Mary, into the 70's disco and the 80's metal right along with me and my brothers. And through him I was exposed to music I probably wouldn't have heard on my own. I also had a high school music teacher who had us performing some pretty cool stuff, old and new, from Frank Sinatra to the Beatles and Sound of Philadelphia. Now my kids frequently say, "Mom, have you heard this yet?", and I have a listen and some of it I have really loved. We sing "Ruby Soho" (Rancid) and Boss DJ (Sublime) together, daughter and I do lots of harmonies together. Love it. I've always found music I love, in every genre and time.
One TV show I've enjoyed in recent years has been "departures", a travel show featuring three young Canadian guys who have ventured off the beaten path everywhere they've gone. I'd love to see a new series that would make me laugh as much as "The Simpsons" and "South Park" have, though.
One TV show I've enjoyed in recent years has been "departures", a travel show featuring three young Canadian guys who have ventured off the beaten path everywhere they've gone. I'd love to see a new series that would make me laugh as much as "The Simpsons" and "South Park" have, though.
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Re: Cultural death
by steam_cannon » Sun 08 Apr 2012, 09:25:03
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'O')riginality has hardly died out (and thinking it has is hardly original ).
Oh sure and we're hardly running out of oil either, just the easy to get oil is gone. ).Running out of ideas:
Running out of themes and unique ideas can happen for individuals and whole cultures. Most elements in chemistry are already discovered too. That's what happens when you have billions of smart people on the planet. So the idea that we are getting to the edge of unique human experience is not unreasonable. Most "origional" tv shows are knockoffs of past themes, like how "30 rock" borrows from "The Mary Tyler Moore show". TVTropes.org for example is a mapping of most plot themes used in stories. They have almost every theme that ever was. And once you know all the themes, everything becomes a copy of something else.
Cultural stagnation:
It's also reasonable to think we are in the mist of cultural stagnation. The soviet union faced cultural disintegration along with their collapse. And just look at small town America, culturally people working too many hours to have music hobbies or are picking at their scabs of job loss and suffering even more as small towns turn into methlands.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.methlandbook.com/]Methland - The death and life of an American small town[/url]
Methland tells the heroic story of the small town of Oelwein, Iowa–and, through it, the story of drug abuse in Rural America. Once a railroad, meat-packing, and farming hub, Oelwein has been battered by the Farm Crisis and decimated by job losses. More recently, thanks to the lobbying of pharmaceutical companies in Washington, D.C., record amounts of methamphetamine, aka crank or crystal meth, are available on Oelwein’s streets. Like thousands of other small towns across the United States, the drug’s production has become one of Oelwein’s principal business. Now, the town doctor, the mayor, and the prosecutor are fighting back.
Journalist and native Midwesterner Nick Reding spent four years living off and on in Oelwein. Along with the book’s three principal characters, Methland follows the traffickers, addicts, federal agents, and politicians whose lives make up a uniquely contemporary American tragedy, blending sociology, history, and thousands of hours of eyewitness reporting into a real-life account that reads like a novel.
So sure there are a few good artists here and there. There are even a few pockets of healthy culture. But this is a nation in decline and so is the general culture and the music.
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