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Bill introduced to regulate men's reproductive health
Re: Bill introduced to regulate men's reproductive health
by Sixstrings » Thu 22 Mar 2012, 20:28:12
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '.')..have you ever bothered to even estimate how many useless jobs are out there?
True enough.. for whatever reason, there hasn't been as much efficiency pressure on back office type work. HR departments are really useless.. cubefarms I've worked in, anytime I walk by HR they're just sitting around chatting or eating donuts or it's always somebody's birthday so there's cake -- then there's the potlucks, it's an all-day graze.
Interesting thing about the recession was that after laying a lot of folks off, companies realized they didn't need them anyway.
Bureaucracy wise, government is by far the worst. And colleges, universities.. that's an outrage, they have department chairs who teach maybe a class or two if that then Division Directors on top of that the your deans and Chancellors then your vice presidents and president -- and they all have secretaries. And I'm talking about a community college. The college / university is the most inefficient, bloated, bureaucratic enterprise in America.
Ultimately, a lot of these "useless" jobs you speak of, a lot of the bloat, is from government jobs. So that's what I predict Pretorian, more of that, and more socialist wealth redistribution. If you pay attention you can see it happening -- that's what these $3-$4,000 "earned income" tax rebates are all about. These folks don't even pay taxes, this is direct wealth transfer. Business supports it though, because when a lower income person gets that check they go right out and spend it -- a big screen from Best Buy, a trip to Walmart, etc. Money has to get circulating among the masses somehow, if business won't hire full time and pay living wages then government has to distribute money otherwise the economy falls apart -- a billionaire only needs one iPad and a limited number of HD TV's, a billionaires eats better but still only three meals a day, a billionaire doesn't need any more haircuts than you or me -- billionaire can't support a consumer economy because they are one person there's a limit to what they can consume -- you have to get money in many hands to sustain the consumer economy.
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Re: Bill introduced to regulate men's reproductive health
by Sixstrings » Thu 22 Mar 2012, 20:50:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'S')o lets say, you have eliminated majority of jobs.
Who will buy produced goods?
How your customer could possibly pay?.
Who will buy produced goods?
How your customer could possibly pay?.
Bingo.
It's a catch-22.. end stage capitalism.. when capitalism becomes so efficient it destroys its own customer base and you enter into negative returns from more efficiency.
That's the problem the West has right now -- western Europeans and American workers can't compete globally. That's why we have structural unemployment now, because of a combination of offshoring, automation, and IT-related extreme efficiency.
The new age of robotics will extend this structural unemployment problem to the developing world.
Don't want to dig up the article again, but Foxcon wants to replace its Chinese workers with robots. The robot has already been designed almost ready to roll out -- has no legs, has a torso with arms hands and fingers, it's designed to be plopped right into a 3rd world factory worker's chair and use the same tools.
Maybe China will have a strong enough domestic consumer market by then. I don't know man, what happens though when robots can take the restaurant and starbucks and retail store jobs too. There just won't be any jobs for the masses of people. Television sets were once rare, for the rich, same with computers, same with cell phones. Now even third worlders have these in their home. Robots will be the same, rare and costly at first then everyone will have them.
I'm just trying to figure out what the masses of folks will do for work. We already have structural unemployment, how can we absorb a robot labor force when robots don't consume the products they produce?
(same can be said for offshored workers, a Chinese making 24 cents per hour can't afford the Apple products he's building -- this amounts to parasitic and unbalanced consumer capitalism, when too many companies operate like Apple does then we enter into unsustainable negative returns.
Not that Apple gives a damn, they're now the richest corporation in history and they'll soon be worth one trillion dollars, meanwhile the only good they do for America is employing a couple thousand folks in California then they have like 30,000 retail workers making twelve bucks an hour and a million Chinese making cents on the hour -- their workers are so miserable they're committing suicide on the job, they've had to put up safety nets in case they jump from their dormitory cells)
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Re: Bill introduced to regulate men's reproductive health
by Sixstrings » Thu 22 Mar 2012, 21:14:29
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'T')he AI/Singularity, when viewed as a part of the equation that gets fried chicken into hungry humans, can be simply stated as the continued extension of the productive capacity of professional operators. As fewer operators become necessary, the balance of that lower support level needs to rise slowly to serve and feed, but not interfere with those remaining operators. AI/Singularity will not be making the executive decisions; they serve to allow a single operator to make hundreds or thousands of such decisions, each and every day.
So you're hip to the truth.
Why are you voting Republican then, when you know the truth? Why are you voting for the party that wants to tear the poor down even more? Jesus H. Christ your party wants to go after senior citizens in nursing homes, they want to take support from the sick and the blind.
You know the truth Agent, there aren't enough jobs and it will only get worse. Morally then, how can you vote the way you do? You just said it yourself, the Republican myth of American Dream and infinite private sector job growth for humans is just that -- a myth.
Anyhow I can rest my case in this thread now that Agent has agreed with me (eloquently and succinctly I might add, nicely put!). Agent just summed up all my above posts in one sentence:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'A')s fewer operators become necessary, the balance of that lower support level needs to rise slowly to serve and feed, but not interfere with those remaining operators.
^^ That is exactly what I said, not as well as Agent just said it, but that was my point -- regardless of what Republicans may blather about, the reality of globalism combined with extreme efficiency (fewer operators as he says, well put) means that socialism must continue to grow in America, there's no other choice because "operators" are becoming fewer, it's just the result of offshoring and advanced automation nobody's fault but as a society we still have to feed folk and shelter them and get money into their hands so they can go out and buy the next iPad 4.
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