[Sixstrings]

This whole debate is silly.

Being an omnivore is a survival advantage, thank you evolution my food options are doubled. As an omnivore I could survive on just veggies if that's all there is, or meat if that's all there is, or a combo of both. Of course we can't digest grass, but we don't need to because we can eat the animals eating the grass -- so there was never a natural selection pressure for us to eat grass.

This is science, we are the product of natural selection, it's no accident we're omnivores.

And lastly.. the Dalai Lama himself eats meat. Even the Buddha ate meat.

Only argument in favor here may be health benefits, but if you notice strict vegans don't look too healthy. I think people need a little meat, the Dalai Lama says his doctor told him he needs to eat meat so I why should I feel guilty.

[BasilBoy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'T')his whole debate is silly.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BasilBoy', '[')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'B')eing an omnivore is a survival advantage...

[BasilBoy]

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[thuja]

Basil - I watched Forks over Knives and it had a profound effect on my household. We went from being everyday meat eaters to being once a week meat eaters.

I'd recommend the book "Thrive" by Brendan Brazier. He's a vegan triathlete and his book is pretty compelling. His recipes are great too- really focused on using the most nutrient dense foods such as flax, hemp, nuts, seeds, supergreens along with fruits and veggies. The recipes are great...

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BasilBoy', '.').then why participate in it? Diet is one of the most fundamental variables to our well being and hardly silly

[Shaved Monkey]

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[Sixstrings]

Gonna say this more simply..

If we don't have cattle and people eat the grain / corn that the cows currently consume..

That just results in greater food efficiency..

Which means an even larger human population. Nothing is solved.

[BasilBoy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'W')ell it's just my opinion.

[BasilBoy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'B')asil - I watched Forks over Knives and it had a profound effect on my household. We went from being everyday meat eaters to being once a week meat eaters.

I'd recommend the book "Thrive" by Brendan Brazier. He's a vegan triathlete and his book is pretty compelling. His recipes are great too- really focused on using the most nutrient dense foods such as flax, hemp, nuts, seeds, supergreens along with fruits and veggies. The recipes are great...

[PrestonSturges]

Humans succeeded by eating whatever's available. We're just big cockroaches.

If I had the choice of depriving myself my whole life in hopes of possibly adding an extra six months to the worst part of my life, I think I'll just have an extra slice of pie instead.

[BasilBoy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'I')f I had the choice of depriving myself my whole life in hopes of possibly adding an extra six months to the worst part of my life, I think I'll just have an extra slice of pie instead.

[Shaved Monkey]

Bottom line statistically is it isnt 15 years its only a few years.
What are the suicide rates of a vegan ?
My good friend was a vegan and suffered massively from depression,he took up eating meat and it helped.
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/depression.html
and bottom line is how do you get your vegan dietary needs in a Post PO future if TSHTF ?

[SeaGypsy]

I was vegan for 15 years, without serious health implications. I started eating some meat after moving to remote Australia where there were very few realistic protein or calorie sources. Since then I married a Filipina who has not gone a day in her life without something dying to provide her sustenance.

Without getting into the semantics, there is plenty of statisical evidence that moves in this direction alleviate many of the problems due to peak oil. Majorly due to the energy intensiveness of farming animals for mass consumption. Price rationing will reduce the amount of meat people eat everywhere over time, regardless.

[PrestonSturges]

Our family has absurdly long life spans, and even in county histories, a couple of my direct ancestors were known for being the oldest person in the township. Given projected declines in living standards, I expect to euthanize myself somewhere around the age of 88 and skip the last 7 years.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'H')umans succeeded by eating whatever's available. We're just big cockroaches.

If I had the choice of depriving myself my whole life in hopes of possibly adding an extra six months to the worst part of my life, I think I'll just have an extra slice of pie instead.

[Sixstrings]

Vegans and vegetarians think we should consume *even more soy* than we currently do -- problem is we're already eating too much soy and it's feminizing men:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nfortunately, when you eat or drink a lot of soy stuff, you’re also getting substantial quantities of estrogens.

Estrogens are female hormones. If you’re a woman, you’re flooding your system with a substance it can’t handle in surplus. If you’re a man, you’re suppressing your masculinity and stimulating your “female side,” physically and mentally.

In fetal development, the default is being female. All humans (even in old age) tend toward femininity. The main thing that keeps men from diverging into the female pattern is testosterone, and testosterone is suppressed by an excess of estrogen.

If you’re a grownup, you’re already developed, and you’re able to fight off some of the damaging effects of soy. Babies aren’t so fortunate. Research is now showing that when you feed your baby soy formula, you’re giving him or her the equivalent of five birth control pills a day. A baby’s endocrine system just can’t cope with that kind of massive assault, so some damage is inevitable. At the extreme, the damage can be fatal.
http://www.wnd.com/2006/12/39253/

[SeaGypsy]

My wife being tiny and Asian, me coming from Nordic stock mostly, she couldn't cope with either the births or breastfeeding our offspring.
Both were supplementary fed for 6 weeks then bottle only for 5 to 6 months before blending in other stuff. The $18 kilo ($10 pound) formula recommended by every doctor we have had anything to do with is based on soy, as are all the top brands. My daughters are both strong as Mallee bulls, my 10 month old is starting to walk and talk while my 2.5 year old speaks 3 languages at 4 to 5 year old level.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'M')y wife being tiny and Asian, me coming from Nordic stock mostly, she couldn't cope with either the births or breastfeeding our offspring.

[bromius]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'G')onna say this more simply..

If we don't have cattle and people eat the grain / corn that the cows currently consume..

That just results in greater food efficiency..

Which means an even larger human population. Nothing is solved.