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Re: Optimists Never Learn

Unread postby Ibon » Thu 20 Oct 2011, 08:55:52

Evolution favored optimists because they were the risk takers that colonized new territory. A pessimist is not going to range far beyond the familiar. Can you imagine a polynesian pessimist getting in that boat with hundreds of thousands of square miles of ocean and believing he was going to find land?
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Re: Optimists Never Learn

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 20 Oct 2011, 09:35:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'C')an you imagine a polynesian pessimist getting in that boat with hundreds of thousands of square miles of ocean and believing he was going to find land?


Depends on how mean his mother-in-law is...
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Re: Optimists Never Learn

Unread postby fletch_961 » Thu 20 Oct 2011, 21:27:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'N')ot your point that doomers are optimist. But that there are conundrums that will hurt us all. There is no easy way out.

It is kinda like the doomed man saying, "So kill me already!" He is not an optimist, just tired of the torture.


Perhaps you don't understand the definition of optimistic than:

op·ti·mis·tic   /ˌɒptəˈmɪstɪk/ [op-tuh-mis-tik]
1.disposed to take a favorable view of events or conditions and to expect the most favorable outcome.

Unless the the tortured man had a favorable view of death and saw it as his mostly favorable outcome, he clearly was not an optimist. I would say a pessimist, who saw no favorable outcomes. He had given up.

Interesting...straw-man...but none-the-less...

On the other hand, if you have overlooked that quite a few poster look favorably upon peak-oil happening sooner rather than latter and expect favorable results from it [die-off, end to CO2 emissions, end of US hegemony, validation for having spent countless hours spent staring at a green screened monitor sending out replies to cornies, etc...take your pick], than we will have to agree to disagree.

Note: I take issue w/ dictionary.com definition of optimistic. The part where it says, " to expect the most favorable outcome". Most favorable outcome if I was a tortured man would be to have three busty women with slim waists and child-bearing hips come in and rescue me. Pretty sure i would still be optimistic if the mother-in-law showed up. :lol:
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Re: Optimists Never Learn

Unread postby kublikhan » Thu 26 Jan 2012, 17:42:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')epression, anxiety, anger and other negative emotions have been linked to heart disease and heart attacks. But what about the flip side — are positive emotions connected to better heart health? Yes, say two reports that addressed this question from different directions.

At Duke University Medical Center, researchers asked 2,618 men and women scheduled to have a coronary angiogram questions about what they expected their future cardiovascular health to be like. Fifteen years later, they found that those who'd had the highest expectations were 24 percent less likely to have died of heart disease than those with the lowest expectations. That study was published in the Archives of Internal Medicine.

The next study was long term and looked at Boston-area men. It took note of a marker of psychological and emotional health called self-regulation. In the group of men who scored highest on a test for self-regulation, 6 percent had a heart attack or died of cardiovascular disease over the following 12 years, compared with 14 percent in the group scoring lowest. The study was published in the Archives of General Psychiatry.

These findings add to the evidence that a positive outlook or positive emotions somehow contribute to a healthy heart and arteries.
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Re: Optimists Never Learn

Unread postby dorlomin » Thu 26 Jan 2012, 18:59:25

The selfish gene. Optimists take risks that are bad for the individual, you might think setting sail on a dug out canoe to find a new island is near suicide and for many it will be. But for the one that find a new island the gene to a whole island population.

How many optimists perished trying to cross the southern Arabian peninsual before the rest of the world that was not Africa was conquered?

Genes spread better when there is lots of optimistic cannon fodder dying to get to bigger better newer pastures.

Just theory but I think it has some value.
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Re: Optimists Never Learn

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 26 Jan 2012, 19:14:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'E')volution favored optimists because they were the risk takers that colonized new territory. A pessimist is not going to range far beyond the familiar. Can you imagine a polynesian pessimist getting in that boat with hundreds of thousands of square miles of ocean and believing he was going to find land?


what makes you think they did it because of optimism? Most likely they were forced to do this through a loss in war, political schemes or a bad draw. That's how it was done on the Greek islands for hundreds if not thousands of years.
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Re: Optimists Never Learn

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Thu 26 Jan 2012, 20:00:09

I have several friends born into traditional Polynesian families, you do what you are told or you are excommunicated, which won't help you contribution to the gene pool much. Also these are Royalist tribes, where you are born into a definite position/ caste. One of which has always been the caste of slave/ emergency meat.
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