[k_semler]

I just got my 3 piece lockpick set from an online order from www.lockpicksonline.com and I just tried it on my front door. To open the deadbolt, it took me only 44.36 seconds, and to open the knob, it only took 18.85 seconds. My god! I knew that these tools helped open doors, but doing it in little over a miniute kind of says something about Kwikiset locks. I think I need to invest in a new lock set. My god, now I'm wondering if all home locks are this insecure!

[TheTurtle]

By and large, locks only deter honest folks ...

[k_semler]

Thank God for Mr. Colt!

[Jack]

Yes, most home locks - and, for that matter, corporate locks - are that insecure. Tubular locks, file cabinet locks, and automobile locks are harder - I've played around with them, without success.

But regular pin and tumbler locks are distressingly easy...

[k_semler]

It just seems that a lock on a door with the proper tools to open it is about as much of a security measure as just shutting your door without locking it, and maybe putting up a sign saying, "Please do not enter, nobody home." Seems kind of futile. But then again, how many people actually have the tools? Not many, I would guess.

[Chuckmak]

yes...yes they are.

[rostov]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', 'I')t just seems that a lock on a door with the proper tools to open it is about as much of a security measure as just shutting your door without locking it, and maybe putting up a sign saying, "Please do not enter, nobody home." Seems kind of futile. But then again, how many people actually have the tools? Not many, I would guess.

[SidneyTawl]

what time would you expect to see on a beginner such as K. or anyone. What kind of learning curve is there to "picking" locks.

[RonMN]

You'd be amazed at how a properly placed 2X4 can keep your door from opening! 10 X that if you have your foot on the 2X4!!!

[Clouseau2]

A window is even easier to "pick". Any rock or brick will do.

And if you don't want to make noise, just use a glass cutter.

[rostov]

<black hat thinking>

Lock picking is NOT so much about using the skills and tools to open a lock and hence gain entry to a point of entry : a gate, a door, a window, etc. It's more of a non-destructive method of doing so that is important.

In a PO extreme-fallout scenario, if you were to scavange for things inside a building and want entry, you won't waste time on a lock. You'd bring the door/window/gate/etc down FAST, finish what you're looking for, then leave with no regard to the destruction of the entry point.

Officially it's supposed to be a non-destructive way of opening entries when the key is lost or trapped within. Unofficially its a sneak method of entry, to ADD UP to the fact that you're accessing a place undetected. i.e. masking your entry and exit. It's a trade you'd seriously need to carry if you're considering a "thief" path in a post-PO world, depending on who's side you're on.

Slight digress : wars are fought in order to gain resources (steal) from one party -- that's quite active. Doesn't this advocate a more passive way of gaining resources (steal) from others?

</black hat thinking>

[SidneyTawl]

OK Rostov,

I understand the philosophy. my question is rather blunt.

Is the statement by K. something you think is valid or is it BS.

I thought the same thing when he made it, of course I have no knowledge of lock picking.

Would you be able to pick locks that quickly after watching a video that came with it.

I believe in the US its still illegal to posess these instruments without "filing".

Just curious is all, as to what ol K had to say was BS or just darn good markmanship

[skiwi]

No problem HERE at the end of a 100km dead end road

Burglary is so rarely thought about in the tiny West Coast town of Karamea when people go out they generally lock the front door - but often forget about the back door.

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rostov', '
')Add a PO-profile, it can be quite a dangerous (depending on who's side) tool

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SidneyTawl', '
')
Would you be able to pick locks that quickly after watching a video that came with it.

I believe in the US its still illegal to posess these instruments without "filing".

Just curious is all, as to what ol K had to say was BS or just darn good markmanship

[SidneyTawl]

Thanks, K

I didn't know. Your statement that you had prior experience made your claim a little easier to swallow.

By the way K, are you trying to protect yourself with the locks or your property.

Locks are no good for those that want in. Locks can be a helpful when you are gone and trust one door only.

However if you're at home then locks, please. You better have something better than that.

Each to their own choice of protection. (and keep it secret, and untraceable)

IMO locks are to prove that someone broke in.

[k_semler]

Note: Just because I am going "line by line" does not mean that I am refuting you, it is just easier for me to post like this. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SidneyTawl', 'T')hanks, K

I didn't know. Your statement that you had prior experience made your claim a little easier to swallow.

[SidneyTawl]

12 minutes, are you kidding me. I figure the best I have is under five seconds. For me to make my home that secure for any and all entry points would be unfeasible. Let us know how you can build something that protects your windows and depending on the walls, those also.

If you know the home, finding an entry point to get to an individual is stupid if you only wish to get to the individual.

Protection depends on the enemy.

[rostov]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')I believe in the US its still illegal to posess these instruments without "filing".

[k_semler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SidneyTawl', '1')2 minutes, are you kidding me. I figure the best I have is under five seconds. For me to make my home that secure for any and all entry points would be unfeasible. Let us know how you can build something that protects your windows and depending on the walls, those also.

If you know the home, finding an entry point to get to an individual is stupid if you only wish to get to the individual.

Protection depends on the enemy.