[Fishman]

Serial, I must disagree. In the post peak world we must consider other options. Hippies are compostable, many are already partially there. Cog offers up an acceptable option, however the high incidence of stds as seen at the OWS hippie group might limit some. Vision's pictures show the drug addled nature, think of ecovillages as high resources areas with minimal topsoil, easily strip mined.

[rangerone314]

I guess I don't fit into the ecovillage thing. I have my own permaculture forest garden, biointensive raised beds and chickens, but I have no problem going out into the woods with a ghillie suit on and sniping foxes or racoons. When TSHTF, if push comes to shove, no problem adding zombies to that list, either.

Personally, I think though it won't be like Fallout 3 or something in the future and I think engagements are bad ideas unless you can't avoid them. There is ONE real good thing that a game like Battlefield 3 or Call of Duty teaches, and it is that no matter how good you are or think you are, it is possible for a noob to get lucky and snipe you one time. In real life, that is all they need.

Although, I will consider a lot more activities at night, when it is safer when you have night vision and others do not. That makes for a very uneven playing field.

[Fishman]

Pstarr, thank you for your excellent post. With such insight as "what a silly post" and "There are no ecovillages" I for one look forward to your posts in the future. Without such great minds as yourself the liberal viewpoint would go wanting. When challenged, your great intellect goes to commentary on mothers and general appearance. As many of those folks at ecovillages share your same political viewpoint, I think guns will not be needed, perhaps a harsh "booo" will send them scattering.

[vision-master]

Your type of energy attaches likewise......

'Those that live by the sw.......'?

[bratticus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'P')ersonally, I think though it won't be like Fallout 3 ...

[Fishman]

Folks, I'm sorry, my post seems to have made pstarr wet his pants. I don't recall my humorous post mentioning murder. There seems to be many things he doesn't follow.

Back to the post, I think it was dancing rabbits ecovillage I had read the most about. A few things to learn but clearly a site that will quickly be overrun if things go bad.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'F')olks, I'm sorry, my post seems to have made pstarr wet his pants. I don't recall my humorous post mentioning murder. There seems to be many things he doesn't follow.

Back to the post, I think it was dancing rabbits ecovillage I had read the most about. A few things to learn but clearly a site that will quickly be overrun if things go bad.

[Shaved Monkey]

During WW11 in England they grew vegetables in the parks,they shared, they rationed, they recycled, they made do, as all the fit young men were off getting killed in Europe and the bombs were dropping on London.
The government which was decimated and virtually bankrupt from the depression and then the war and loss of skilled workers to the war,still functioned.
They put on regular dances to keep up moral. They regulated food supply and issued rations. Old ex soldiers and game keepers kept the peace.
I imagine the whole of London was a bit like a post zombie apocalyptic hippy commune.
People squatting in bombed out shelters, growing veggies,scrounging and recycling,singing and dancing as people they loved got killed by the Zombies of the day in their houses and in the streets,systems collapsed, power, public transport, but they just went on like the current hippie ecovillage concept where they make it all nice and wonderful and play the gee-tar.

[JohnRM]

No one, that I know of, has a truly sustainable community. If your population is growing, it isn't sustainable. Agriculture, as practiced by the vast majority of human beings, is not sustainable and never will be without serious control of birth rates. First and foremost, we have to stop population growth.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnRM', 'N')o one, that I know of, has a truly sustainable community. If your population is growing, it isn't sustainable. Agriculture, as practiced by the vast majority of human beings, is not sustainable and never will be without serious control of birth rates. First and foremost, we have to stop population growth.

[Shaved Monkey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnRM', 'N')o one, that I know of, has a truly sustainable community. If your population is growing, it isn't sustainable. Agriculture, as practiced by the vast majority of human beings, is not sustainable and never will be without serious control of birth rates. First and foremost, we have to stop population growth.

[Fishman]

Shaved, you make a good argument about WW2 England, very communal, but remember it was only under the threat of annihilation that this took place. And they certainly were defending themselves. Playing the "gee tar" helps in most situations.
John, agreed, truly sustainable is an impossible task, but lower populations make resources last longer. Lest pstarr get in a tizzy again, I'm not advocating mass extermination. But it looks like a "market driven" reduction in population as petroleum driven food prices climb. Remember theres only two ways to reduce a population, prevent births or speed up deaths.

[ralfy]

Unfortunately, zombie hordes also have no defense against each other.

[ennui2]

Kind of comforting that the term 'zombie horde' hasn't completely lost relevance here.

[Serial_Worrier]

I noticed that even eco-villagers never want to talk about population control. It's a taboo subject.

[JohnRM]

Yea, but the most significant problem we have is population. That has always been the problem with revolutionary and anti-establishment groups in America. That was the problem with the 60s and 70s anti-war protesters. They all sincerely want change, but they don't want anyone to have any control over their behavior. They've always thought that people should be able to do whatever they want to do without any intervention by the government, or any authority whatever. Unfortunately, when people are allowed to do whatever they want, unchecked, they get high turn into dirty hippies. They also cut down rainforests. They wipe out the buffalo herds. They fence off the game trails and put nature in a prison. People will destroy the world with or without government, with or without control. They only chance we have is to establish the proper balance of self-control and objective government control.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'I')n time in one way or another the whole world will become an eco village it just wont be called that.

[rangerone314]

Ecovillages need their resident Burt Gummer.