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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Cog » Mon 12 Dec 2011, 23:19:57

The camp idea has merit in that it centralizes food distribution reducing cost and also removes a certain amount of the criminal element from the cities.

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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Loki » Mon 12 Dec 2011, 23:47:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he camp idea has merit in that it centralizes food distribution reducing cost and also removes a certain amount of the criminal element from the cities.

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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Loki » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 00:00:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'I')t's very simple, if you need food stamps to survive you're a defective and should be allowed to starve.



The problem is that they won't. They may be won't eat you, at least not until it's culturally accepted, but they will steal and rob and kill. Believe it or not, your property rights are worth less to them than their own lives.

Exactly. Which is why I find AgentR11's argument re. social stability compelling. Hypocrites like Cog will be the first to call for government action when the masses start feasting on the flesh of the fat cats.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n the other hand $200 a month in free food is way too much imho. A sack of rice /flour and some cooking oil should be enough....

I kind of agree with this too. I do think food stamps should be more restrictive, harder to get, offer fewer benefits, and perhaps limited to very basic staples (combined with classes to teach people to cook, our culture has been so debased by hyperconsumerism that many people don't have a clue how to prepare real food anymore).

Someone truly impoverished can easily live off far less than $200/mo in food in the US, no doubt about it, if they know how to cook and store real food.
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 02:55:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'I') kind of agree with this too. I do think food stamps should be more restrictive, harder to get, offer fewer benefits, and perhaps limited to very basic staples (combined with classes to teach people to cook, our culture has been so debased by hyperconsumerism that many people don't have a clue how to prepare real food anymore).


This forum's obsession with food stamps never ends. I really wish people were more interested in the trillion$ of outright theft, looting, and criminality that has been wrought by the bankster top 1%.

But alas, we all see poor folks at Walmart and their foodstamps and don't we feel good by beating up on them eh? Whereas we don't know any billionaires, do we? So instead we talk about stupid foodstamps and the 1% keeps looting trillions.

Your idea about cooking classes and cooking differently is very difficult -- cooking and food are cultural, it changes slowly over decades and centuries. So there's no quick easy "teach everyone to cook like Indonesians" solution.

As for more restrictions, I don't know for sure but I'm *pretty sure* you've got to be really poor to qualify for food stamps. The food stamp rolls are exploding only because so many former middle class are poor now. There's no dishonesty or fraud here, people are frickin' poor. All thanks to 30 years of Reaganomics, Republicans, and "Democrats" like Bill Clinton and Obama.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Someone truly impoverished can easily live off far less than $200/mo in food in the US, no doubt about it, if they know how to cook and store real food.


This kind of sounds like doomer wishful thinking, wanting to pull forward future doom and force that life on people right now.

Fact is, it's not necessary -- we have enough food. Food is culture, and even working class folks have a right to culture. This is still the richest nation on Earth, we export food, there's no reason why working class Americans should have to eat like Irish potato peasants. No good reason at all, and there's no shame in a working class job they have a right to eat decently there's enough to go around.

The dried beans aren't necessary. Do something about the out of control top 1% first, then talk about beans.
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby careinke » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 03:41:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he camp idea has merit in that it centralizes food distribution reducing cost and also removes a certain amount of the criminal element from the cities.

Win-Win

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They did it in the depression. Made some dam fine parks too.
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 05:13:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he camp idea has merit in that it centralizes food distribution reducing cost and also removes a certain amount of the criminal element from the cities.

Win-Win

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well, no need to keep people behind a wall of barbed wire if there is no reason to it. They can be kept behind a common or even a symbolic wall with free meals, a warm cot, some very basic healthcare, a few TVs in common areas constantly turned on to some housewives shows ( or porn, whatever), perhaps a few hours a week of online gaming or something. It doesn't take much really.
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 05:33:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')As for more restrictions, I don't know for sure but I'm *pretty sure* you've got to be really poor to qualify for food stamps. The food stamp rolls are exploding only because so many former middle class are poor now. There's no dishonesty or fraud here, people are frickin' poor. All thanks to 30 years of Reaganomics, Republicans, and "Democrats" like Bill Clinton and Obama.



No, you don't have to be poor to qualify for food stamps. You can be a billionaire and live in a $50-mln mansion and you will still qualify for the FULL $200 a month if you choose not to charge more than $800 for your 1 monthly speech or something.
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 05:37:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')As for more restrictions, I don't know for sure but I'm *pretty sure* you've got to be really poor to qualify for food stamps. The food stamp rolls are exploding only because so many former middle class are poor now. There's no dishonesty or fraud here, people are frickin' poor. All thanks to 30 years of Reaganomics, Republicans, and "Democrats" like Bill Clinton and Obama.



No, you don't have to be poor to qualify for food stamps. You can be a billionaire and live in a $50-mln mansion and you will still qualify for the FULL $200 a month if you choose not to charge more than $800 for your 1 monthly speech or something.



THAT is if you are single. If you are married with 5 kids you will be getting almost $1100 in food stamps per month and you can charge up to $900 for your monthly speech.
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Revi » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 09:46:32

I really don't care if it's right or wrong, but 47 million Americans are on the Snap program. A lot of them are displaced rural people, so maybe now is the time to put them back on some land and start them on earning their own living. We'll have to change some stuff around and drop dependence on the system that's rapidly failing. The chances of that are slim, but maybe some people can figure out how to do it.

Those who can't do that are going to starve if they are cut off. Right now in Maine they are cutting LIHEAP by over half. Even if full funding is restored the benefit will be 2/3rds of last year because the price of heating oil is up by a buck this year. Time to learn how to cut wood.

Do you think it will get any better? Maybe. I wouldn't plan on it.
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 17:33:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') really don't care if it's right or wrong, but 47 million Americans are on the Snap program. A lot of them are displaced rural people, so maybe now is the time to put them back on some land and start them on earning their own living. We'll have to change some stuff around and drop dependence on the system that's rapidly failing. The chances of that are slim, but maybe some people can figure out how to do it.

Those who can't do that are going to starve if they are cut off. Right now in Maine they are cutting LIHEAP by over half. Even if full funding is restored the benefit will be 2/3rds of last year because the price of heating oil is up by a buck this year. Time to learn how to cut wood.

Do you think it will get any better? Maybe. I wouldn't plan on it.


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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 18:01:30

Its all very convenient having the Darwinian fantasies of survival of the fittest and starving out the weak.
History has shown when you starve the majority,they start gathering in the streets and sometimes they start building guillotines.
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 19:01:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'I')ts all very convenient having the Darwinian fantasies of survival of the fittest and starving out the weak.
History has shown when you starve the majority,they start gathering in the streets and sometimes they start building guillotines.


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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 19:17:28

They may have already started
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 21:13:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', 'I')ts all very convenient having the Darwinian fantasies of survival of the fittest and starving out the weak.
History has shown when you starve the majority,they start gathering in the streets and sometimes they start building guillotines.



Obviously nobody will starve the majority, unless there is no other option. But a minority , especially locked in geographically, easy-peasy. Besides , it takes as little as 20 or 30 cents a day to keep an adult alive and reasonably healthy, so there is a long way down from the current $200 of free food a month, not counting all other hand-outs.
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby WildRose » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 23:36:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')As for more restrictions, I don't know for sure but I'm *pretty sure* you've got to be really poor to qualify for food stamps. The food stamp rolls are exploding only because so many former middle class are poor now. There's no dishonesty or fraud here, people are frickin' poor.


This is somewhat unrelated, but in the same vein -

Here in Alberta, not only are the numbers of people requiring Food Bank supplements steadily increasing, but I learned today that almost all of our Christmas charities are way off of their projected goals this year - many of them by almost 50%, which translates into $400,000 shortfalls for many of them. My guess is that most people have less disposable income, in part due to increased property taxes, utilities, housing and food costs, and in part due to decreased wages. I've talked to several people who have either had to take a job paying less or had their hours reduced at their current jobs. This likely means that a lot of those who have traditionally supported these charities are having to say "no", not this year.
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Loki » Wed 14 Dec 2011, 00:48:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'T')his forum's obsession with food stamps never ends. I really wish people were more interested in the trillion$ of outright theft, looting, and criminality that has been wrought by the bankster top 1%.

Dude, I bitch about this ALL the time. Doesn't mean we can't objectively evaluate the efficacy of our social safety net.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our idea about cooking classes and cooking differently is very difficult -- cooking and food are cultural, it changes slowly over decades and centuries. So there's no quick easy "teach everyone to cook like Indonesians" solution.

It's already happening but needs to be ramped up considerably. As for the state of our debased cooking culture, check out Jamie Oliver's shows, both the US and UK series. It's fucking pathetic.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s for more restrictions, I don't know for sure but I'm *pretty sure* you've got to be really poor to qualify for food stamps.

No, you don't have to be "really" poor. I qualify for food stamps right now because it's a slow time on the farm. I've known enough people who are on food stamps to know there is no danger of any of them starving to death. Hell, a couple years ago I witnessed a bunch of AmeriCorps volunteers (college educated, white, young, middle class) exchanging tips on how to scam the food stamp system (buy something, return it, get cash back).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his kind of sounds like doomer wishful thinking, wanting to pull forward future doom and force that life on people right now.

Bullshit, I'm talking about basic cooking, not your crap about survivalist fantasies. I'm talking about buying good quality bulk rice for $1/lb instead of buying garbage instant rice for $3/lb. I'm talking about buying a roast instead of eating the "beef" at Arby's. I'm talking about growing a garden, even if only on the windowsill.

I'm talking about not shoveling 5,000 kcals of expensive, unhealthy processed garbage into your mouth every day. Instead folks need to learn how to cook, eat real food, and be responsible with their damn food expenditures. Is that really too much to ask? Did ya know you can buy Pepsi and Twinkies with food stamps? That counts as "food." You think that's OK?

But let me guess, no one has any responsibility for anything anymore. It's all up to the nanny state to wipe everyone's ass.

Now you got me sounding like Cog, thanks a bunch Six.
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 14 Dec 2011, 11:44:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he camp idea has merit in that it centralizes food distribution reducing cost and also removes a certain amount of the criminal element from the cities.
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As I was saying about libertarianism being a way gloss over authoritarianism.

Someone also mentioned the WPA. People will live in refugee tents if they are free to come and go. On the other hand, the Japanese-Americans would commit suicide in their camps because they were behind barbed wire and everything had been taken from them.
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Wed 14 Dec 2011, 16:16:22

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011 ... erica-ceos
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')evealed: huge increase in executive pay for America's top bosses

Exclusive survey shows America's CEOs enjoyed pay hikes of up to 40% last year – with one chief executive earning $145m


Seems like executive wages are increasing at the same rate as food stamps
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Re: Food stamps

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Fri 30 Dec 2011, 20:21:57

Why settle for food stamps...
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Re: The Food Stamp Thread (merged)

Unread postby misterno » Tue 03 Jan 2012, 18:14:52

Welfare Lines Overflow

"It's outrageous," said Charles Leonard, a disabled 50-year-old who complained to 311 recently about a long wait and confusion at a center on Northern Boulevard in Queens. "It's like everybody is running around with their head cut off, and no one cares."

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