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Re: THE Diabetes Thread

Unread postby Pops » Tue 18 Oct 2011, 18:05:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'M')ajor problem with good/bad fats and other energy sources is that Mother Nature have designed you to prosper while physiologically hungry to moderate degree.
As long as you remain physiologically hungry, eat as much fat as you wish.

This was my thought too.

I think it's pretty hard to point at only food as a cause of all ills when sitting on yer butt except when you're prone isn't taken into account.

Having said that, it's been a few months now since the doc put me on some cholesterol pills and I cut out the butter, whole milk, etc, - in addition to my new found reliance on raw/high fiber carbs - and I realize that I probably had been having chest pain for quite a few years and simply chose to ignore it. It could be placebo effect and I haven't been back for any tests yet so I'm not sure what the actual change has been in the numbers but it is pretty surprising to me.

And yeah I admit I'm somewhat of a hypercondriac, kind of strange for a preppy--doomer such as myself... 8)
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Re: THE Diabetes Thread

Unread postby PeakOiler » Tue 18 Oct 2011, 19:13:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'B')TW - Don't believe anything you read on the 'net unless you research it yourself.


I would also add that one shouldn't believe everything they've heard about diabetes.

There are a lot of misconceptions regarding diabetes:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')yth: If you are overweight or obese, you will eventually develop type 2 diabetes.
Fact: Being overweight is a risk factor for developing this disease, but other risk factors such as family history, ethnicity and age also play a role. Unfortunately, too many people disregard the other risk factors for diabetes and think that weight is the only risk factor for type 2 diabetes. Most overweight people never develop type 2 diabetes, and many people with type 2 diabetes are at a normal weight or only moderately overweight.


Diabetes runs on both sides of my family. I think in my case genetics played a large factor. My two brothers, one older and one younger, are both obese. I was only perhaps 8-10 lbs overweight when I was diagnosed with it last year at 53. They don't have diabetes, but they might later. But why are they both bald and I'm not?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')yth: Eating too much sugar causes diabetes.
Fact: No, it does not. Type 1 diabetes is caused by genetics and unknown factors that trigger the onset of the disease; type 2 diabetes is caused by genetics and lifestyle factors. Being overweight does increase your risk for developing type 2 diabetes, and a diet high in calories, whether from sugar or from fat, can contribute to weight gain. If you have a history of diabetes in your family, eating a healthy meal plan and regular exercise are recommended to manage your weight.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')yth: If you have diabetes, you should only eat small amounts of starchy foods, such as bread, potatoes and pasta.
Fact: Starchy foods are part of a healthy meal plan. What is important is the portion size. Whole grain breads, cereals, pasta, rice and starchy vegetables like potatoes, yams, peas and corn can be included in your meals and snacks. The key is portions. For most people with diabetes, having 3-4 servings of carbohydrate-containing foods is about right. Whole grain starchy foods are also a good source of fiber, which helps keep your gut healthy.


Portion size is important. That's why I created a spreadsheet that will calculate nutrient amounts from portion size. After awhile, one can pretty closely visually estimate what portion size is OK without weighing it.

Still, I haven't eaten any baked potatoes or french fries in over a year, as well as many many other starchy and/or sweet foods.

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http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/diabetes-myths/
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Re: 1st post - Type I Diabetic Confronting a possible new wo

Unread postby PeakOiler » Tue 18 Oct 2011, 19:22:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakOiler', 'M')y overnight fasting glucose level this morning was 98. This afternoon it was 104. I'm Type II. I take glipizide and Janumet (metformin) every day. My 7-day average is 108. That corresponds roughly to an A1C of 5.4. :)

I was diagnosed with diabetes August 2010.


I thought that 100 is still ok and pre-diabetes starts at 125? How does this work? Once you reach a certain number you are done ? Or what?


100 or below is OK, but it only means that I have modified my diet (a lot) and the oral meds are working OK to get the glucose levels down. Glipizide is a drug that stimulates the pancreas to make more insulin, and that helped get my glucose under control. There is no cure for diabetes. It's a lifelong challenge. As I get older the Glipizide and Janumet may become less effective.
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Re: THE Diabetes Thread

Unread postby Pops » Tue 18 Oct 2011, 21:38:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'P')ops, you are not a hypochondriac, just misinformed.


Actually I didn't say I was a hypochondriac, I said I was a hypercondriac - less worried about my health than is healthy. But I'm cured of that now!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')t seems the USA wants to paint our obesity/diabetes/cardiovascular disease epidemic as a simple calorie input/output balance thing,


I'm as ready to jump on a bandwagon as the next guy P but the fact is the average American eats 500 calories a day more than he did in 1970. That has nothing to do with HFCS, just more calories and less exercise. Logically, an oversize body with a normal size pancreas (or heart for that matter) seems bound to have problems. I know around here that's like saying Round-Up Ready seeds save FFs but there I said it! :-D

I appreciate your concern but I'm beyond the debate now, my T cells done went postal on my islet cells! Like oiler quoted, the biggest risk factor for type II is genetics and weight but for type I it's genetics and some trigger. I do have some very late life type II in my family but no type one - come to think of it developing "juvenile" type I diabetes at 52 is late life. Here is a little more about late life type I.

Interestingly (to me at least) was what I see as the trigger that pissed off my immune system and caused it to attack my insulin producing cells (islets). April 1 two years ago the tax on tobacco was set to go up and I decided after quitting smoking an unknown number of times before that I was finally going to stop for good. So, as I had done in the past I stopped drinking any alcohol or caffene - even in sodas, for a few weeks before April fools day. On April Fools day I stopped smoking cold. After the expected couple of weeks of withdraws, during which I kept a low profile, I kind of expected to be feeling better but I had lost my appetite and was losing weight and feeling poorly overall. Another couple weeks and I was in the hospital with a blood sugar of 1,200 mg/dl and big time ketoacidosis. I'd gone from a fairly lean 180# to 148# in just a couple weeks.

I quit smoking and drinking and it nearly killed me!
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Re: THE Diabetes Thread (merged)

Unread postby crkz47 » Wed 07 Dec 2011, 02:20:21

There's presently a worldwide epidemic associated with non-insulin-dependent diabetes (NIDDM) with deaths and death of a great magnitude. Diabetic issues, a chronic disease that has no cure, is really a number of illnesses characterized by high levels of blood sugar caused by flaws in insulin secretion, insulin motion, or each. In the usa Five.9 percent from the population possess diabetic issues. Diabetes was the actual 7th top reason for death for auction on Ough.Utes. death certificates in The early nineties, based on the National Center for Health Data, signing up more than 187,Thousand deaths in 1995. In the US, age-adjusted dying prices documented with regard to white wines along with diabetes are twice the prices for all those with out. Individuals with NIDDM diabetes typically create the condition following age 45. More than 18 percent of persons Sixty five as well as more mature have diabetes (American Diabetes Association 2000).

Diabetes is not one illness, rather there are two major types, insulin-dependent or kind I and non-insulin-dependent or even type 2. NIDDM as a illness along with beginning within middle age, in the 10-29 age period. Children of mother and father who experienced NIDDM generally have little departures through normality within glucose tolerance assessments and to be obese. The causes of diabetic issues aren't completely understood. Utilization of extremely processed carbohydrates as well as sugars offers changed dramatically with civilization. Exactly how this might influence the development of insulin opposition is a matter of energetic discussion.

NIDDM offers, till recently, been seen as an disease of genetic susceptibility brought on by environmental factors. The high prevalence associated with NIDDM within particular populace led to this particular genetic organization. The striking prevalence in various Amerindian groups come up with suspicion there might be a particular temperament to the illness in certain tribal organizations, a predisposition which appeared with reservation-style residing. In '62 Neel suggested that the fast blood insulin trigger within NIDDM was an asset in order to tribal hunter-gathers on feast-or-famine regimes (Neel 2000) however changing nutritional designs experienced jeopardized this mechanism. Environmentally friendly trigger is the changes in lifestyle in order to inactivity as well as in diet to in excess of alimentation, particularly more carbohydrates and fats. The blood insulin bring about had been viewed as becoming under genetic control, with the hereditary characteristic frequent within specific organizations or even tribes. This particular hereditary adaptation was termed the "thrifty genotype.
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Re: THE Diabetes Thread (merged)

Unread postby PhebaAndThePilgrim » Wed 07 Dec 2011, 14:07:50

Hi: Please read my post in the cancer thread for an explanation of illness I am curing by going sugar and gluten free.

Good Calories/Bad Calories is an amazing book. Well researched.

Here's a link concerning another amazing book. Made a believer out of me. I can't believe the change in how I feel.

Sugar Nation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1DT8xRoWUU

Also, if you can find it, there is an amazing article in Eating Well magazine, issue May/June 1991. The author is John Willoughby. The article is titled: "Primal Prescription". The article concerns the Pima/Papago native Americans Scientist Gary Habhan was given a MacArthur Foundation genius grant to research the tradtiional Pima diet.
The Pima suffer from the highest incidence of diabetes in the world. Nabhan and his colleagues believe that wild and cultivated desert foods may be instrumental in halting this epidemic.
Original Pima diet: edible desert flora. Mesquite pods, chia seeds, wolfberries, acorns, prickly pear, organ-pipe cacti, and flower buds of the cholla. Amaranth, 60-day corn and tepary beans were cultivated. Saguaros fruits were also eaten.
By a combination of agriculture, hunting and gathering, the Pima and Papago found bounty in the sand and heat of the desert and enjoyed good health
Since adapting a western diet 50 percent of Pimas have adult onset diabetes.
It is believed that the development of the "thrifty gene" that allowed the Pimas and Papago to survive the harsh desert climate is now causing the diabetes.
The article tells the story of Earl Ray, a Pima. He was 5'6", and weighed 239#, suffered from severe diabetes. Ray switched to a traditional Pima diet. he lost 150# and brought his diabetes under control. Ray states that when he meets people and introduces himself as PIma, people do not believe him because all Pima are fat.
Here is where the study gets interesting. The calorie and carbohydrate consumption was the same in both diets. Further studies, done in U.S. and Australia show that it is the type of starch consumed, and the way it is released in the body that helps to control diabetes. For instance, chia seeds form a solid gel when they are breaking down. This is due to soluble fiber in the chia. This gel slows down sugar absorption in the stomach.
I tried to find a link to article and could not. Sorry.
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Re: THE Diabetes Thread (merged)

Unread postby Pops » Wed 07 Dec 2011, 15:40:08

I agree.

All soluble fiber has the gelling effect and slows the passing of food out of the stomach to the intestines reducing blood sugar spikes. I didn't know about chia seeds but looked them up and of 12 total carbs per ounce, 11 are fiber - better have some bran with that or you'll be walking funny!!
For comparison, white all purpose wheat flour has a ratio of 1 fiber carb to 11 total carbs total and pinto beans are 1:3

But cooking food has a big impact too. Cooking essentially "pre-digests" it to some extent by breaking it down and making the carbs more easily absorbed. Beans for example are great because they have lots of fiber carbs compared to total carbs: 1:3 ratio. But left-over beans on the second night cause a noticeably higher, faster rise in my blood sugar because the carbs have broken down more and so they are more easily digested and convert to simple sugars faster. Pasta and other vegetables that are cooked "al dente" the first night have a noticeably quicker effect the second night too. Also, eating a salad or other source of fiber with my meal helps. It's about the makeup of the entire meal I think.

Anyway, thanks for the chia idea, I'm trying to come up with a good light bread recipe close to the fibre of rye (1:3).
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Re: THE Diabetes Thread (merged)

Unread postby xerces » Mon 09 Jan 2012, 00:38:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SaitoHawkeye', '[')color=#008000]Merged by Pops.[/color]
Hey, just joined up to comment. Not even quite sure why, to be honest.

I've been an insulin-dependent diabetic since 2002(age 16), and barring some miraculous leap in medical innovation, I don't see that changing. I've always found apocalyptic/dystopian futures compelling, but always with the understanding that they're an intriguing intellectual exercise.

The past few weeks, the more I follow global news, financial news, energy news, I feel like we are rushing head over heels towards a precipice. I've always been aware of and concerned with environmentalism and sustainability, but the idea of simply running out of energy never occurred to me.

The scenarios outlined on this board seem like quite real possibilities to me now. In different circumstances, I might see it as a call to action. I'm young and otherwise healthy, I leave in a relatively urban area but near several largish farms, and I think I could wrap my head around a scarcity economy.

But I am literally physically addicted to the global pharma industry, I depened on them for every day of life. The day it fails is the day I resign myself to exhausting my insulin supplies and then using up the last bit to avoid a rather nasty and prolonged death.

So post-TEOTWAKI scenarios are somewhat academic for me, because there is nothing after a crash.

Again, I don't know why I joined. I guess I just want to know if anyone out there feels the same way, and how they cope.



After the collapse, I bet that basic medical skills are going to be in high demand. The ability to set a broken bone, give first aid, perform a venipuncture procedure and do blood work. All of these skills can save alot of lives.
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Re: THE Diabetes Thread (merged)

Unread postby PeakOiler » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 15:58:02

AgentR11 posted in the "Today I M/B/L (for a post oil world) 4:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat!?!?! Your doctor doesn't approve of recreational fast insulin?
Humalog ftw!
I'm not diabetic but some of those close to me are, and behave poorly


Perhaps my doctor would approve of the prescription, but I don't. I already am spending enough on the current prescriptions (Janumet and Glipizide) and many OTC supplements. I don't want to depend on the system for yet another drug.

I have learned that Type II diabetes is very "individual" specific. Closely monitoring and modifying one's diet is key. Avoiding the breads (incl. pasta and tortillas) is good advice as I mentioned in the other thread.

I've learned that if I keep my total daily carbs in the 150-200 gram range (fewer the better), my sugar levels are in relatively good control.
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Re: THE Diabetes Thread (merged)

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 16:57:14

It was meant to be half-funny/sarcastic. I don't know of any doctors that approve of recreational fast insulin.

If you can keep your blood sugar under control with diet and/or exercise, that's certain a good thing.
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Re: THE Diabetes Thread (merged)

Unread postby PeakOiler » Sun 22 Jan 2012, 17:10:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'P')eakoiler, how do you estimate/measure the weight of your carbohydrate intake?


Training. One of the tools I use is a food scale. Another is Microsoft Excel for calculating the food values for each meal or recipe. I use the USDA's database and the nutrient values on the packages for the carbohydrate estimate of foods and total them up in Excel. I posted an example of my "What I Ate Today" spreadsheet earlier in this thread.

http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/

After awhile, after re-learning (re-training) how to eat, I haven't needed to weigh everything out everyday.

Here's another example (this morning's b-fast):

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I ate a peanut butter sandwich for lunch: One piece of high-fiber whole wheat bread (a 28 gram slice has ~13 grams carbs, the ~3 Tbls PB had ~12 grams carbs).

Snacks included four Bud Light beers (while watching football today) and will add 26 grams carbs.

I'm going to have a big green salad including tomato (complex carbs), green beans (complex carbs), and a steak for dinner. I won't need to weigh those.
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Re: THE Diabetes Thread (merged)

Unread postby JJ » Fri 27 Jan 2012, 21:53:56

I did a search and didn't catch anything, so excuse me if this was posted already. Having been in a coma from taking Lipator, I thought this might interest someone:


It has been well established that statins can cause diabetes:
http://www.spacedoc.com/statins_diabetes

cause I remember you mentioned to me you were taking Lipator, PeakOiler
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Re: THE Diabetes Thread (merged)

Unread postby PeakOiler » Sat 28 Jan 2012, 06:48:41

I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes before I started taking Lipitor.
Lipitor was not the cause. Diabetes is on both sides of my family. I just got a bad roll of the genetic dice.

I have not and will not propagate the gene.

btw, my last blood test results showed my cholesterol at 98 mg/dl. Normal is <200.
HDL was 49 mg/dl. Normal is 27-67.
LDL was 32 mg/dl. Normal is 0-100.
Chol/HDL ratio was 2.00. Normal is <4.97.
Total protein was 6.6 g/dl. (Low) Normal is 6.7-8.2.

Better go have some steak! lol

A1C was 6.2% . Normal is 4.6-5.7.
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Re: THE Diabetes Thread (merged)

Unread postby JJ » Sat 28 Jan 2012, 23:37:48

you could always buy into an insulin company like Paula Deen.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=200670
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Re: THE Diabetes Thread (merged)

Unread postby PeakOiler » Sun 29 Jan 2012, 07:41:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'y')ou could always buy into an insulin company like Paula Deen.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=200670


Fortunately, I don't need to inject insulin.

btw, did you know that one third of adults with diabetes don't know they have it?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]One-Third of Adults with Diabetes Still Don’t Know They Have It


http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/may2006/niddk-26.htm
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