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The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 24 Oct 2011, 19:33:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '.').. buy more plants, like Arbosana olives that can take colder weather, quinces & quamash.



Note that the quince is great (we've got two Russian quince trees in our orchard) but they're almost impossible to eat raw. They look like pears but they stay rock hard clear into late November. After a few mild freezes they start to soften. We've made jam and chutney with them in the past; very good lemony pear flavor. I'm going to try making wine with the hundred or so fruit we have this year.

Yeah... they call it bletting. There are actually a fair # of fruits that are like that... trifoliate oranges, medlars (which are related to quinces), etc
Apples, pears, medlars, quinces, and hawthorne are all very closely related.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby Ibon » Mon 24 Oct 2011, 20:17:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '
')But seriously, we Boomers were for the most part just very lucky. We were born when the empire was at its height after the victory of WW II and we benefited greatly because of it. It's just the way the world is/was and now you and the following generations will just have to eat the scraps from the feast. Had I and most of my generation known what was going to happen we might have changed when we were younger. We did try to effect change but everything else in our lives told us to go in a certain direction. We're not (weren't) prescient just fallible human beings trying to make our way in world we hardly understood; just like you.


The energy surplus and abundance of the boomer generation naturally resulted in self indulgences and focus on self actualization. This together with the very strong American meme of the self made man/woman, competition, the cult of the individual.

With so much focus on ones individual needs it was quite a smooth transition from idealistic 60's to selfish yuppy. Being a socialist in your youth and conservative as an adult.

The catalyst that will drive the young generations emerging ideology is going to be driven by constraints.

Boomers, with their self indulgent ideology, can only interpret this as a bunch of whining selfish rats chasing after the crumbs. Boomers are thus handicapped from seeing any other alternative because they are of course looking through the prism of self indulgence.

Boomers cannot recognize that the constraints working on the young emerging generation are going to create a powerful cultural meme toward cooperation and community and self sacrifice. Self indulgence will be disdained as empty narcissism.

We boomers are moving into obsolescence and ironically we actually believe we have a grasp on how events will unfold. We cannot recognize our own hubris.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby Novus » Mon 24 Oct 2011, 23:07:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')I know everyone on this forum can think of *something* to write on a sign. You've got to be for re-enacting Glass-Steagall. Right or left, you must surely be against the bankster bailouts. There is no position other than against,

If just a small percentage of Americans could do that we'd have change tomorrow.


There is actually a chance the Glass-Steagall ACT could be brought back. The Return to Prudent Banking ACT introduced by Marcy Kaptur D Ohio, which has many co sponsors. The media is not talking about it because the special interests don't want it to pass. I think writing my representative to support the The Return to Prudent Banking ACT would be more productive than sign waving.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 25 Oct 2011, 08:12:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')here is actually a chance the Glass-Steagall ACT could be brought back. The Return to Prudent Banking ACT introduced by Marcy Kaptur D Ohio, which has many co sponsors. The media is not talking about it because the special interests don't want it to pass. I think writing my representative to support the The Return to Prudent Banking ACT would be more productive than sign waving.


I need to look into that bill; if it's anything short of Glass–Steagall then that's not good enough. We need a firewall back, banks are banks and hedge funds can be hedge funds and the two should never get all mixed up again -- and really, "investment banks" should not have access to 0% loans from the Fed to go run up commodity futures and further inflate the derivatives mess. It's like gas on a fire, giving these guys free money.

As for letters vs. signs.. I won't bother writing my congressman he's as Republican and bankster as they get. I vote Democrat. I didn't vote for him, why write him a letter.. I know what his positions are and how he will always vote, a letter from me won't matter.

But in general of course letters are fine (though remember TARP, all the phone calls and letters pffft they did what Goldman Sachs told them to). What we all do here is actually better -- speaking out on the internet -- that raises awareness.

Sign holding, protesting.. if more people would do that we'd have change tomorrow. I probably won't again, this was a symbolic thing for me in the face of things that won't change and will only get worse but at least I did something.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby Duende » Tue 25 Oct 2011, 11:05:24

Sixstrings wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ign holding, protesting.. if more people would do that we'd have change tomorrow. I probably won't again, this was a symbolic thing for me in the face of things that won't change and will only get worse but at least I did something.

Could you elaborate on this statement, Sixstrings? The first sentence seems to be contrary to the following sentence. :?:
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Tue 25 Oct 2011, 12:32:20

I find common ground with some of the points. This is from a recent guest blog on CNBC

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44989010/

1- Campaign Finance Reform
To me not only does the financing need reform but the actual campaign process as well. Limit the campaign to a few months. Stop incumbents from using public money to promote themselves. No more "fact finding" junkets, the president can make all speeches from the White House or Congress. He doesn't need to travel to make announcements. All these trips are all just self-promoting wastes of tax payers’ money.

2- Reinstating old Laws
Reinstate the Taft Hartley Act, and the Glass Steagall Act. YES

3-Tariffs
Any US Company manufacturing abroad then bringing their products domestically. Good idea

4- Tax Reform
The current code is much too Baroque. It could be simpler. I also advocate a national consumption tax.

5- Judges
All Supreme Court Justices and Federal Judges will have 10 year term limits. Maybe
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:17:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Duende', '[')b]Sixstrings wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ign holding, protesting.. if more people would do that we'd have change tomorrow. I probably won't again, this was a symbolic thing for me in the face of things that won't change and will only get worse but at least I did something.

Could you elaborate on this statement, Sixstrings? The first sentence seems to be contrary to the following sentence. :?:


There's no contradiction.

If just 1% of the 99% protested just one time that would be.. 3.1 million on the streets. Nobody likes to protest, we all have better stuff to do. Like sit on the internet. But three million protesting on the streets, 1% of the 99% showing up just once, the politicians would respond to that.

My point is that for anyone who is convinced of the gravity of these issues -- all the bankster crap, the QE's, the inflation, the money printing -- honestly how can you not show up at least once?
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:35:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'I') find common ground with some of the points. This is from a recent guest blog on CNBC

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44989010/


Excellent article. I'm shocked CNBC allowed it.

Note how in the comments, the conservative (and investing) CNBC viewership agrees with all these reforms.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:48:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'I') find common ground with some of the points. This is from a recent guest blog on CNBC

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44989010/


Excellent article. I'm shocked CNBC allowed it.

Note how in the comments, the conservative (and investing) CNBC viewership agrees with all these reforms.


1. Campaign finance reform----won't happen while Obama is president. Not only did Obama single-handedly wreck the McCain-Feingold Finance reform law that was in place in 2008, Obama has pledged to smash all previous fund-raising efforts by taking in a billion dollars for his 2012 campaign.

2. Reinstate Glass-steagal----might happen if the economy collapses again and enough pressure gets put on Congress. Could already have been done if the corrupt Barney Frank and Chris Dodd hadn't been in charge of the house and senate banking committees during the last Congress.

3. Tariffs-----Obama just signed more "free trade treaties"......which bind the US to reduce or end tariffs.

4. Tax reform----we need it----everybody wants it.

5. Judges---end life terms. Very bad idea. The whole point of the life term is to insulate judges from political pressues. It would be a big mistake to make the courts more sensitive to political pressures----the courts would wind up just as political as everything else.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:52:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '
')2- Reinstating old Laws
Reinstate the Taft Hartley Act, and the Glass Steagall Act. YES

When exactly was Taft-Hartley repealed?
When the banksters want something, our policymakers move with the speed of Mercury and the determination of Ares. It’s only when the rest of us need something that there is paralysis.

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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby dbruning » Tue 25 Oct 2011, 13:59:35

I'm pretty sure we're too focused on the 1%.....

What about the 2%?

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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby Pops » Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:12:43

Some comments here on the list that I thought were pretty good...

Other general comments...
Younger generations are designed to challenge authority and the older generation is obliged to fight to keep what they wrestled away from the oldsters when they were young. It's why youngsters are more progressive/socialist/anarchist leaning and oldsters more regressive/conservative/curmudgeonly. It isn't anything new, heck it isn't even confined to humans.

As far as boomers go, I can't see that we're that much different than previous (or subsequent) generations in our waste and greed. We took advantage of the opportunities offered. We actually prompted quite a few positive changes but we couldn't have done that without the exceptionally widespread wealth of the postwar era - Oops, there's that income inequality thing again.

As far as attending the protests, that's a youngsters game.
And besides, one of my main criteria in choosing our current location was to be as far as practical from large urban areas because of potential unrest when PO impacted the economy - I sure ain't gonna drive there to take part! :lol:
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby Pops » Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:19:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dbruning', 'I')'m pretty sure we're too focused on the 1%.....

What about the 2%?


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Pretty big difference.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 25 Oct 2011, 21:13:43

An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right

Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take

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