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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby DomusAlbion » Sun 23 Oct 2011, 13:44:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'W')ow, touched a nerve there, I see.

Yep, don't have much use for Rushbots and their never-ending spew.



But see, you've made a big mistake. You think that because I have an opinion that you don't favor that I am the enemy, that we have no common ground. It appears that with you we live in a binary world: friend/foe, right/left, virtuous 99er/villainous Tea Party member.

Just a few realities about me:

1. I was a Socialist (even attended some local Communist Party meetings) when at the UofW.
2. We did protest the war. We even (illegally) stopped traffic on i90 by the U district.
3. I am now a conservative.
4. I don't even have commercial television (live in the country & view mostly BBC DVDs)
5. I disdain Rush Limbaugh

Your anger seems to me to be coming from some deeper well and you're directing it a me. That's sad.

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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby Loki » Sun 23 Oct 2011, 16:17:40

You're spouting the same uninformed, bigoted crap as the Rushbots, whether you listen to Limbaugh or not. "Spoiled kids," "squatters," "whiners," "defecators," blah blah blah. You're parroting GOP talking points.

If you don't want to be labeled a Rushbot I suggest you stop spewing his garbage and think for yourself for a second.

For an old geezer you sure don't seem to have much historical perspective. As I've said before, the occupy movement is just the beginning, we're only a MONTH into it. Whatever happens with the occupy movement, the next economic shock is guaranteed to trigger some serious social unrest, orders of magnitude beyond the modest protests we're seeing now. Better get used to it.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby Sixstrings » Sun 23 Oct 2011, 16:52:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'W')ow, touched a nerve there, I see.

Yep, don't have much use for Rushbots and their never-ending spew.


With respect to both of you guys.. why haven't either of you protested?

I haven't actually read anyone else on the forum say they held up a sign. I think Eastbay handed out donuts (not knocking him, that was a nice thing to do). A number of others have detailed what they saw while walking by.

One forum member mentioned he attended with his nieces.

But far as I know I'm the only one who bought a poster board and wrote up a sign.

I know everyone on this forum can think of *something* to write on a sign. You've got to be for re-enacting Glass-Steagall. Right or left, you must surely be against the bankster bailouts. There is no position other than against, if this continues we all pay via inflation.

I implore everyone, do your civic duty and don't just have a walk by your town's protest as a bystander -- make a sign, hold it up for a while. I only stood out there for an hour, but it was empowering -- crossing that line from sheeple to doing something.

If just a small percentage of Americans could do that we'd have change tomorrow.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby rangerone314 » Sun 23 Oct 2011, 19:29:06

Protesting is pointless. If you are not an inconvenience you will be ignored by the PTB (while they count their money in their boardrooms and point at you in the street down below and laugh). If you become a real inconvenience, you will be beaten down by violence and removed by force.

I would never attend such a protest, because I choose not to put myself in such a situation. (Situation where honor demands that I come back the next day after being beaten down and demonstrate my military training)
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby DomusAlbion » Sun 23 Oct 2011, 19:47:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'P')rotesting is pointless.


I had a roommate that was actually shot at the Chicago Democratic National Convention. It got him nothing but periodic visits from the FBI.

I support many of the points that the OWS have brought up but I would never give them physical support. First, I think it's pointless given the real future that is ahead. Second, I live in an area where the population density is around 8 people per square mile. There are no OWS in the area even though the unemployment rate here has been well above the national average for decades. Country folk abide.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby Loki » Sun 23 Oct 2011, 21:42:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')With respect to both of you guys.. why haven't either of you protested?

I respect the protesters, and I think what they're doing is useful, but protesting is not something I can do any more. I did a lot of protesting back in the '90s. Learned that I was quite phobic of large crowds, one reason I live in the country now (~50 miles from the nearest occupy march).

So now I do my "protesting" every day by doing what I can to rebuild a local food economy, working on a small organic farm, and making a serious effort to be self-sufficient or to trade with local people. It's not much, but it is putting words into action.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby Oneaboveall » Sun 23 Oct 2011, 22:11:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'I') was at university in the late sixties, early seventies. When we had demonstrations we were unified and we knew what we wanted and we were loud and angry and powerful.

These people are like spoiled kids lying on the front porch, holding their breath and sometimes kicking and screaming; waiting for the adults to fix things. I find them rather pathetic.

As a Gen-Xer, I just want to say that this is exactly the kind of smug BS that makes people hate Baby Boomers. "WE did it better. Only we're allowed to do it. You can't begin to compare, but if you're lucky, you'll be able to be perpetual little brothers and sisters who sit in awe of what we accomplished.." :roll:

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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby rangerone314 » Sun 23 Oct 2011, 22:20:56

Trying to figure out what the Baby Boomers really accomplished, except bloating the entitlement system, selling out to the "Man", and eating up more than their generational share of resources. If anyone is spoiled, its the Baby Boomers. They are lucky the youth aren't out there suggesting "Logan's Run".

Heck, I'm over 30 but under 50 but I'd consider stepping forward to be the first person put to death by them if I thought I was going to be followed by all the Boomers.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby DomusAlbion » Sun 23 Oct 2011, 22:28:29

The long predicted Generational War is here.

Well don't worry boys. All you need do is wait and we'll be gone.

Then it will be on you. Have fun. :razz:
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby rangerone314 » Sun 23 Oct 2011, 22:31:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'T')he long predicted Generational War is here.

Well don't worry boys. All you need do is wait and we'll be gone.

Then it will be on you. Have fun. :razz:

We'll all be gone eventually. Thought the same thing when I buried a dead chick in the woods. Only be lucky enough if I'm buried there sometime in the far future, too.

I can only hope I can train the little cretins I have enough so that at least ONE of them can pick up wear I leave off. Daughter is looking like the most promising one in that regards.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 23 Oct 2011, 22:38:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'T')rying to figure out what the Baby Boomers really accomplished, except bloating the entitlement system, selling out to the "Man", and eating up more than their generational share of resources. If anyone is spoiled, its the Baby Boomers. They are lucky the youth aren't out there suggesting "Logan's Run".

Heck, I'm over 30 but under 50 but I'd consider stepping forward to be the first person put to death by them if I thought I was going to be followed by all the Boomers.

How can it be REMOTELY reasonable to make such complete generalizations? Yes, the AVERAGE Baby Boomer, and I daresay the VAST MAJORITY of Baby Boomers have done as you assert.

However, not all, said the childless boomer who lived like a poor man (by choice), and got really PISSED when people generalized about the 2008 mess, saying overly generalized things like Obama's claim that we "All bought things we couldn't afford".

(No, we ALL didn't. And SOME of us will spend far more on considered charitable giving to attempt to help worthy causes than on themselves - using resources they EARNED via a career involving lots of hard work. But what, that doesn't count, and we all deserve to die, just because we were born during a certain era?)

...

Instead of wishing for things that will never happen based on irrational premises, how about suggesting positive criteria for how competent adult citizens (of ANY era) ought to behave? Such as:

1). Things like meaningful savings to pay for their OWN old age needs.
2). The RIGHT for them to freely decide (in advance) how much suffering and money they want to consume when they die? (Today we force most people to die horribly and very expensively -- when MANY would freely choose not to, were a rational VOLUNTARY enthanasia policy available).
3). The RESPONSIBILITY to have a work ethic and make a "reasonable" attempt to actually support oneself and the family one CHOOSES to have.

Instead, you rage at generalities, which may make you feel better but will accomplish little. Meanwhile, it's not like I see the post boomer generations being meaningfully less selfish as a whole, by the way.

Edit - cleaned up a few grammar / typo issues.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby DomusAlbion » Sun 23 Oct 2011, 22:47:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '
')As a Gen-Xer, I just want to say that this is exactly the kind of smug BS that makes people hate Baby Boomers. "WE did it better. Only we're allowed to do it. You can't begin to compare, but if you're lucky, you'll be able to be perpetual little brothers and sisters who sit in awe of what we accomplished.." :roll:


Yes, you Gen-Xers were pretty pathetic too. I think we use to call you bubble-gummers. :-D

But seriously, we Boomers were for the most part just very lucky. We were born when the empire was at its height after the victory of WW II and we benefited greatly because of it. It's just the way the world is/was and now you and the following generations will just have to eat the scraps from the feast. Had I and most of my generation known what was going to happen we might have changed when we were younger. We did try to effect change but everything else in our lives told us to go in a certain direction. We're not (weren't) prescient just fallible human beings trying to make our way in world we hardly understood; just like you.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby rangerone314 » Sun 23 Oct 2011, 23:37:20

I look at my paycheck and there are deductions for Medicare and Social Security.

I fail to see why I need to have those taken out to support a generation that had the world handed to them on a silver platter and doesn't even leave the generations that follow the bones.

I got an idea: scrap Medicare and Social Security NOW, including the deductions for it, since it is highly unlikely my generation and the ones that follow will get anything.

Then I will have very little to say about the Baby Boomers.

My own parents for example, don't care about the future their grandchildren will live in. They don't care about global warming or anything like that because they won't be around for it. Maybe our sick society could take a clue from the Native Americans who would look 7 generations back and 7 generations forwards.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby vision-master » Mon 24 Oct 2011, 09:05:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'T')he long predicted Generational War is here.

Well don't worry boys. All you need do is wait and we'll be gone.

Then it will be on you. Have fun. :razz:



Yup, it's your turn kiddies, have at it. lsol :lol:

FYI: The kiddies are buying 'The Doors' T-shirts at best buy now, seen a whole rack of them the other day...... lol

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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby DomusAlbion » Mon 24 Oct 2011, 13:35:19

But Ranger, my generation paid into the social security system also and actually we still do. We all were promised that the money would be invested and returned with interest. I for one paid nearly the top rate for 35 years. My contribution plus my employers’ matching amount is in the $100s of thousands. So we are not at fault for trusting the government; fools maybe, but we didn’t start the fire. I’m retired but currently I’m not drawing from SS and don’t plan to for at least 3 years and maybe not until 2020. It doesn’t make economic sense right now. Please, just be careful who you're aiming at when you pull that trigger.

As to Social Security, I believe there should be an option to opt out and also to give control of the money to those who earned it; some kind of hybrid between government management and a 401K. It would force people to plan and save but there would be a much greater shepherding of the funds by the individuals contributing and it wouldn't/couldn't be pilfered by the Congress.

As to your generation and its future deprivations; it's also highly unlikely that you'll be able to afford an automobile or be able to drive the one you have for any great distance. I'll be a very old and poor man forced by circumstance to work the land for his daily bread, if I'm lucky. It all sucks.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby rangerone314 » Mon 24 Oct 2011, 18:14:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'B')ut Ranger, my generation paid into the social security system also and actually we still do. We all were promised that the money would be invested and returned with interest.

True, but my generation has seen rate hikes. We've had to invest MORE with the expectation of getting much less (if any).

You paid for the smaller generation that preceded you, not for yourselves. At least the Greatest Generation left you something, worth justifying the Boomers paying for the WWII generation to retire.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby Cog » Mon 24 Oct 2011, 18:21:57

As a boomer, I will gladly forgo any and all social security for myself as long as I can end it for the Gen-Xers.

No need to thank me for my generous offer.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby rangerone314 » Mon 24 Oct 2011, 18:31:57

I would accept that offer and the elimination of the payroll taxes. I can use the extra money to buy more plants, like Arbosana olives that can take colder weather, quinces & quamash.
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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 24 Oct 2011, 18:34:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'T')rying to figure out what the Baby Boomers really accomplished, except bloating the entitlement system, selling out to the "Man", and eating up more than their generational share of resources. If anyone is spoiled, its the Baby Boomers. They are lucky the youth aren't out there suggesting "Logan's Run".

Heck, I'm over 30 but under 50 but I'd consider stepping forward to be the first person put to death by them if I thought I was going to be followed by all the Boomers.


You'd probably like "Boomsday"...a novel by Christopher Buckley. This hilarious book is about the goings on in DC when a national program is proposed encourage Boomers to all commit suicide to keep the country from going bankrupt over SS and Medicare payments.

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Re: The 99Percent Petition for the Redress of Grievances

Postby DomusAlbion » Mon 24 Oct 2011, 18:38:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '.').. buy more plants, like Arbosana olives that can take colder weather, quinces & quamash.



Note that the quince is great (we've got two Russian quince trees in our orchard) but they're almost impossible to eat raw. They look like pears but they stay rock hard clear into late November. After a few mild freezes they start to soften. We've made jam and chutney with them in the past; very good lemony pear flavor. I'm going to try making wine with the hundred or so fruit we have this year.
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