by Sixstrings » Sun 11 Sep 2011, 08:34:03
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('prajeshbhat', 'M')aybe if you take the time to grace them with your presence every now and then and pay attention to their grievance once in a while, there will be no reason for them to turn violent. If you take away their livelihood they have nothing to lose. There is nothing more dangerous than people who have nothing to lose( and by the way their numbers are growing). And those people who believe they are doing the world a favor by running a business also need to get their heads examined.
You're awesome Praj, best new forum member ever. +1
Cog isn't making the anti-union case very well. To be fair and balanced, I can't help doing devil's advocate and stepping in for him..
1) Problem with unions is that it hurts efficiency. It gets to be too hard to fire someone even when they really need to be fired. You end up with inferior product / customer service.
2) In the case of gov unions, the pay and benefits can get to be too much. There are a few outrageous things, like the Post Office paying people a half million to relocate etc.
3) In the context of globalism, American unions can't compete. I wonder though how Germany and France manage to do it? It must be that they have measured protectionist and globalist polices whereas we are are all globalist.
Ultimately though, unions are very weak and almost dead. In much of the South they're nonexistent -- these are all Right to Work states. I've personally never been in a union. I've never known anyone who was. Every company I've ever worked for makes it clear at the get go how anti-union they are. An employee can be fired in my state for talking about a union. This is because under "right to work" you can be terminated "
with or without cause." So if they want to fire you for a federally illegal reason, they just put it down to "no cause."
Because we have no unions, no workers standing up for themselves, Florida has notoriously low wages and sh*tty jobs. Most vacation time I've ever had was a company that had a standard package nationwide -- so I got the benefit of what Northern unions have fought for. In general if you're not an owner in Florida, you're crap.
The gov jobs have always sucked on wages down here, but at least they had great healthcare and a good pension. That's all over now. The state decided to bring gov worker benefits "in line with the private sector." Bottom line, without a lot of strong unions there's nobody to stand up for the working man. Democrats won't do it. The rich sure as hell won't, this is why unions formed a hundred and thirty odd years ago. The People must band together, because The Man doesn't give a damn.
I don't want to see unions go too far, like some of the postal worker bennies, but if only we could figure out how the Germans and French do it then that would be a good balance. The key is a healthy medium, right now we're too far on the pro-capital side and it's not good for society.