[JohnDenver]

Another misconception which needs to be cleared up is that coal, natural gas and nuclear are not suitable transport fuels.

Coal is an excellent transport fuel. In fact, it was the ONLY transport fuel for many decades. Locomotives and ships can run on coal, no problem.

Natural gas is also a good transport fuel. Taxi fleets and buses run on natural gas throughout the world.

Nuclear too is transport fuel. Nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers and the French train system show how nuclear can be used to move people/things around.

Clearly, there is going to be some serious retooling involved, particularly in backwaters like the U.S. which are behind the times. But the main point stands: we're not running out of transport fuel any time soon.

But what about the private automobile and private motoring? Well... my thinking is that we should just take it out back like the sick horse it is, and put a bullet in its head.

[Raxozanne]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '
')But what about the private automobile and private motoring? Well... my thinking is that we should just take it out back like the sick horse it is, and put a bullet in its head.

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '
')But what about the private automobile and private motoring? Well... my thinking is that we should just take it out back like the sick horse it is, and put a bullet in its head.

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'w')ho pays you to be such a cheerleader for this crap nation we built? The Hudson Institute. The Cato Institute?

[Googolplex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'B')ut what about the private automobile and private motoring? Well... my thinking is that we should just take it out back like the sick horse it is, and put a bullet in its head.

[Doly]

John, you are essentially correct on this one. BUT there is a whole lot of cars in operation, many of them used to transport people from home to work. How are going to solve that one?

Also, how are you going to deal with the lorries/trucks used to transport all sorts of merchandise?

[Googolplex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'J')ohn, you are essentially correct on this one. BUT there is a whole lot of cars in operation, many of them used to transport people from home to work. How are going to solve that one?

Also, how are you going to deal with the lorries/trucks used to transport all sorts of merchandise?

[Raxozanne]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Googolplex', '
')
[EDIT] And for that matter, are you claiming we HAVE to do somthing to keep all the trucks on the road? If so, how are YOU going to deal with the upkeep of all the millions of miles of roadway and the cost of building and mantaining those trucks?

[Googolplex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'H')EY IT was john denver who started this whole thread. Im getting tired of this b******* that he sprouts about how transportation which is based entirely on oil at the moment will be fine and dandy when oil depletion kicks in. Are you living in some kind of dreamland Johndenver? Oh that's right we can all catch a TRAIN to the supermarkets and work in the future, no problem.

[Raxozanne]

I am disagreeing with the concept that 'no one really needs a car' by John Denver and that private car use can just be taken out and 'shot in the head like the sick horse that it is'. Because actually I believe that quite a few people in this modern society need cars to get to work/supermarket.

Look I'll even quote it from what was written above.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here's really no reason why people need to have a car, except that they got hornswaggled by greedy corporate interests into communities designed to maximize car/gasoline consumption.

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'J')ohn, you are essentially correct on this one. BUT there is a whole lot of cars in operation, many of them used to transport people from home to work. How are going to solve that one?

Also, how are you going to deal with the lorries/trucks used to transport all sorts of merchandise?

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'I') am disagreeing with the concept that 'no one really needs a car' by John Denver and that private car use can just be taken out and 'shot in the head like the sick horse that it is'. Because actually I believe that quite a few people in this modern society need cars to get to work/supermarket.

Look I'll even quote it from what was written above.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here's really no reason why people need to have a car, except that they got hornswaggled by greedy corporate interests into communities designed to maximize car/gasoline consumption.

[Googolplex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'I') am disagreeing with the concept that 'no one really needs a car' by John Denver and that private car use can just be taken out and 'shot in the head like the sick horse that it is'. Because actually I believe that quite a few people in this modern society need cars to get to work/supermarket.

Look I'll even quote it from what was written above.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here's really no reason why people need to have a car, except that they got hornswaggled by greedy corporate interests into communities designed to maximize car/gasoline consumption.

[Raxozanne]

This is the whole point over and over again.

yes we can work and eat without oil

but the big question I suppose that is hashed and rehased by all this is that:

Will the prices rise so suddenly that the present infrastructure will just collapse causing chaos?

Or will there be enough time to change the infrastructure in a progressive way?

Well, the oil depletion experts are calling on governments to recognise the problem of peak oil and therefore plan a strategy of decline, sustainability and relocalisation in line with oil depletion.

But here is the problem: Governments do not seem what to recognise peak oil or are going by USGS figures of a peak in oil in 2030.

Therefore what we really need is a large detailed audit on how much oil we have left which is why we need to get someone in to audit OPEC. Hopefully OPEC will let someone in soon.

In this way a definite date can be given to peak oil, government will be forced to face facts and societies will have a better chance of pulling through without trouble.

[Wildwell]

Well yes and thankfully Matt Simmons is doing good work out that.

Do we trust those in the Middle east? Probably not.

PO is a nettle that needs to be grasped and the sooner the better. No more pretending.

[Googolplex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'T')his is the whole point over and over again.

yes we can work and eat without oil

but the big question I suppose that is hashed and rehased by all this is that:

Will the prices rise so suddenly that the present infrastructure will just collapse causing chaos?

Or will there be enough time to change the infrastructure in a progressive way?

[Raxozanne]

No this thread belongs to us now Googolplex, mwhahahaha

[Googolplex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', ':')-D

No this thread belongs to us now Googolplex, mwhahahaha

[Raxozanne]

No we don't need oil for food and work because believe it or not many people got by for many thousands of years without it. THAT IS FRIGGING OBVIOUS.

What I am saying is that many people IN THIS SOCIETY CURRENTLY need cars and private transportation to get them to work and to get them to the supermarket.

In fact my friend who works in the Job centre said that most people were claiming because they didn't have a car to get to where the work was.

If this infrastruction were to collapse suddenly then people would be overwhelmed leading to problems.

NOW STOP TWISTING WHAT I SAY AND PISS OFF