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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby nobodypanic » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 17:53:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', '
')the USPS, on the other hand, won't charge me to pick-up or charge extra to deliver my letters because i live in the middle of nowhere.



Yes; they'll send the bill to me instead. Please remember my benevolence and be grateful when I''ll cut your rope.

USPS is not tax funded. that ended in '71.

i might be the one to cut yours, but i am a bit more compassionate than you so i think your time would be better spent in a re-education facility.


Really, so where do you think they get the monies to pick up and drive around your $0.41 message?

from $$ generated by their activities, which is no longer sufficient due to a decline in volume.
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby Alan Cain » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 19:34:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Postal Service Is Nearing Default as Losses Mount

The United States Postal Service has long lived on the financial edge, but it has never been as close to the precipice as it is today: the agency is so low on cash that it will not be able to make a $5.5 billion payment due this month and may have to shut down entirely this winter unless Congress takes emergency action to stabilize its finances.


I wonder if that's a misprint, they surely don't have a $9 billion budget deficit every year. If so, just do the math.. in ten years that's a $90 billion debt. If their annual deficit is 9 bil, I wonder what their total debt is? 8O

So anyhow.. looks like they need a bailout.. even after canceling sat delivery and laying off 120,000 employees they're still defaulting. What I don't get is.. why not just raise prices.. they're a darn monopoly, at least on junk mail and bills and letters from grandma. They could raise first class stamp to $1, a dollar to mail a letter sounds reasonable, and voila problem solved.


Increased costs to junk mail (business) and bills (small and large businesses) (consumers) and to family (consumers) equals increased costs of operation for homes and businesses, and thus expenses for government as well, equals inflationary pressure, accelerating QE3 and QE4, more layoffs and the cycle heats up more.

The shutdown of our oldest, most ubiquitous, and most valued employer of veterans (except for the war industry) is rather troubling. What will substitute on day 1 for the post office, as bills go out (or don't), and on day 30 and 120? The internet? It is not universal yet; in rural america it is old and slow, still. In my town we are the exception - a town in the middle of NOwhere, with 6000 people in a 20 mile radius, yet we have fiber to the home, wireless, dsl and dial up (uck, uck, uck) owing to our local public utility district and the tradition of rural electrical associations making a transition to tech to keep our area competitive globally. This is not normal.

The point of that was to accent the contrast between have data and have no data is very real in the USA, and rural folks are the place where the impact would be greatest (again).

Do the republicans and tea-baggers really intend to off (delete from the budget) anything they can that doesn't support the war machine?

Internal communications defines a geopolitical regime. cut the lines, cut the area off from the overlords.

Will the break-up of the postal service begin the break-up of the United States? It is a rather dramatic demonstration of impotence if the government does not support the mail system. And there is always some young stud to jump into the middle of a troubled relationship. It's what DNA does.

Lessee: The old South will rise again (sexual metaphor not deliberately intended, but it can stay), Mexico can HAVE Texas back AFAICare, and Southern California, Arizona, Utah and New Mexico too.
The New England states should consider Canada - join as a province. The middle Atlantic to the Mississippi River - call it New Merka; then the lower midwest - Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska - all that central field crop zone east of the 20" rainfall isohyet - what, "Grainland?"; the upper midwest could be New Industryland, or whatever. The pacific northwest would likely schism because of an enormous cultural difference, into the coasties, from San Francisco, CA to Seattle and up to Canada; and as a separate unit the eastern slopes of the Cascades through Montana bound into New Millenialland.

They (New Millenia) would require every citizen to have three guns (a pistol, a light gauge hunting weapon, and a battle rifle) and only militia members get to vote. No taxes on anyone - I think this was the Viking model; raiding quickly becomes necessary for economic intercourse, and an internal purge would occur to get the few remaining liberal pockets moved to the coast. Hmmm. There's a good novel in there. Dibs.

All because we let the post office die. Wasn't the postman the hero of some survivalist movie?
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby Alan Cain » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 19:57:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', ' ')Wow, a new motto POWER DOWN


I thought it a very good one; both Power Down and Powerdown are Trademarked, but their use as an English phrase of some commonality probably suggests no lawsuits.

Do it! Use it! Works for ecowarriors, liberals and TP'ers - everybody. It means just what you want it to.

It will bring us all together (I doubt the Koch brothers would like THAT!!?!).
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby Kristen » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 20:17:46

We need to keep the post office alive because if a real oil shortage occurred, we could use it to deliver staples, it already frequents every household
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby peeker01 » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 20:21:48

now there's a chilling thought.....
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 20:35:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'n')ow there's a chilling thought.....

Buying groceries from Amazon is surprisingly more convenient than you might imagine.
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 20:40:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'W')e need to keep the post office alive because if a real oil shortage occurred, we could use it to deliver staples, it already frequents every household


Staples, packed in letters and between newspaper sheets?
You are talking about these, right?

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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby peeker01 » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 20:50:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'n')ow there's a chilling thought.....

Buying groceries from Amazon is surprisingly more convenient than you might imagine.


Yes, but having them sit in a gumment warehouse for a week prior to delivery isn't.
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 21:49:29

That's why the government doesn't distribute, they only provide "benefits" and then let the clients buy through normal channels. I dunno if it'll ever go all the way to ordering from Amazon, but I'm wondering, really, why not?
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby peeker01 » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 21:59:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'W')e need to keep the post office alive because if a real oil shortage occurred, we could use it to deliver staples, it already frequents every household


Agent, try and keep up. This recent discussion concerns Kristen's contention that the Post Office might conceivably serve a delivery function for food.
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 22:07:06

Order food.
Deliver food.
Food delivered from Amazon to Client via USPS.
tada.
try harder troll.
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby papa moose » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 22:11:40

Agent,

They're talking about widescale distribution of basic food stocks to support the population and the advatange USPS would have to do this due to size of the organisation compared to UPS, etc.
Not isolated customers purchasing they're gorceries online.

I'm not saying i agree with them but you guys arguing across each other won't make for interesting reading :roll:
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 22:23:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', 'T')hey're talking about widescale distribution of basic food stocks to support the population and the advatange USPS would have to do this due to size of the organisation compared to UPS, etc.


And I'm informing them of the modern mechanism by which widescale distribution of basic food stocks is done.
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby papa moose » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 22:45:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', 'T')hey're talking about widescale distribution of basic food stocks to support the population and the advatange USPS would have to do this due to size of the organisation compared to UPS, etc.


And I'm informing them of the modern mechanism by which widescale distribution of basic food stocks is done.
SNAP > All.


So your contention is that UPS is just as capable of widescale delivery as USPS is?

How does USPS deliver in urban enivorments?
Here in Oz we have an entity known as a "posties bike", a honda 110cc motorcycle with saddle bags. these motorcysles zip up and down drive ways and foot paths across the country delivering post cards, letters and small parcels. Some neighbourhoods still have posties that walk pushing a hand cart, others still ride a bicycle.

I can't see any of these options as viable method to deliver basic food stocks to households.

Personally i think the concept of either USPS or UPS delivering basic food stuffs to the population is impractical, even if the food was just transported to distribution centres (post office or UPS storefront).

Your "SNAP" becomes irrelevant in this real world game of poker.
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 23:06:08

USPS uses a small truck / jeep looking thing.
They're smaller than the UPS trucks, but run shorter routes from more localized distribution points (post offices).
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby peeker01 » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 23:11:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'O')rder food.
Deliver food.
Food delivered from Amazon to Client via USPS.
tada.
try harder troll.


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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 23:16:10

NVM. This is the weirdest topic...
Just let the P.O. die quietly.
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby papa moose » Mon 05 Sep 2011, 23:34:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'N')VM. This is the weirdest topic...


Not sure i can agree with you about that!

http://peakoil.com/forums/pee-power-will-we-run-our-cars-on-urine-t62731.html 8O :o
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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 06 Sep 2011, 00:36:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'B')y the way, I was very satisfied with the Iridium sat phone. Cheaper than international roaming, and always worked.

I think they went broke and were bailed out by the gubmint:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ources said the U.S. Department of Defense wants to preserve the satellite system and likely would pay an unspecified amount for Iridium phone service, thereby ensuring the satellite system would have a certain level of revenues.

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Re: Post office verging on default, may shut down this wint

Unread postby careinke » Tue 06 Sep 2011, 01:03:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'O')rder food.
Deliver food.
Food delivered from Amazon to Client via USPS.
tada.
try harder troll.

As an Amazon Prime customer, my stuff rarely comes via USPS. Mostly it is UPS or sometimes FEDEX. We do have some gluten free food shipped to us on a regular basis and it is cheaper than a grocery store.
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