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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby papa moose » Tue 30 Aug 2011, 22:36:49

FM & AD, well done with the hijack.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')oo bad the discussion is mostly split between 5 conservatives yelling past 5 liberals and 5 PO/GW "believers" calling 5 "non-believers" morans - and vice versa. Perhaps we might try to be little more adult in our debates and encourage newcomers to take part?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'A')nyway, congratulations PO.com and big thanks to everyone that does post regarding peak oil and how they are coping.

I try not to post unless i have something usefull to say, if you want a witty comment or biting put down to every post i could supply them but i think people would get sick of that pretty fast.
A big thank you to those of you that do make intelliegent and informative posts.
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby americandream » Tue 30 Aug 2011, 22:43:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', 'F')M & AD, well done with the hijack. ... I try not to post unless i have something usefull to say, if you want a witty comment or biting put down to every post i could supply them but i think people would get sick of that pretty fast.
A big thank you to those of you that do make intelliegent and informative posts.

Please. Don't hold back. Having said that, facts are facts and I welcome a reasoned rebuttal of my points or else I will take the p*** where the replies aren't on point and stray.

edit: I am willing to be convinced I am wrong.
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby papa moose » Tue 30 Aug 2011, 23:43:39

AD,

you miss my point, i'm neither denying your argument nor supporting it (or FMs).

My comment was to point out that 6 started a thread about how "quiet" the forum was and Pops made the observation that new comers to the site interested in PO would be unlikely to be impressed by partisan wranggling (on any topic) and name calling.

Yourself and FM then launched into a page long "discourse" on ... well actually i started skimming at that point, but the gist seemed to be from you that captialism has led us here as it inevitably would and FM wants to blame everything on 3 years of Obama. Thereby hijacking the thread and turning it into a partisan slanging match.

Clearer?
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby Sixstrings » Tue 30 Aug 2011, 23:56:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', 'M')y comment was to point out that 6 started a thread about how "quiet" the forum was and Pops made the observation that new comers to the site interested in PO would be unlikely to be impressed by partisan wranggling (on any topic) and name calling.


The inverse of that though is that Obama posts DRIVE traffic to the site. Which helps the site owner pay the bills, no? Also people landing here from a current events google search may learn a thing or two about peak oil while they're here. In the end I think more traffic is better, whereas a closed group could wind up like malthusia with nobody there.

Thing is.. this site was never going to be another "Oil Drum." PO.com used to be in the middle ground between the fastcrash doomier LATOC and the more serious TOD. I don't think we even have enough experts on this forum to keep it alive as a hard core oil-only site.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]and FM wants to blame everything on 3 years of Obama.


Whenever I post something more on topic with this forum, nobody replies. I don't want to do a blog, I like the discussions. So if people don't reply on something I don't post that kind of thing anymore.

For example I started this thread: "Russia to build $65 billion tunnel to Alaska." Ok now THAT is an honest to goodness on topic thread that hits all the buttons of a energy forum. It's not going to be just a tunnel, they're talking about a linked energy grid and the tunnel will provide tidal power and supposedly save $20 billion per year in electricity costs. That's about as on topic as I can get, yet.. nobody cares. Not one reply.
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby americandream » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 00:25:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', 'A')D,

you miss my point, i'm neither denying your argument nor supporting it (or FMs).

My comment was to point out that 6 started a thread about how "quiet" the forum was and Pops made the observation that new comers to the site interested in PO would be unlikely to be impressed by partisan wranggling (on any topic) and name calling.

Yourself and FM then launched into a page long "discourse" on ... well actually i started skimming at that point, but the gist seemed to be from you that captialism has led us here as it inevitably would and FM wants to blame everything on 3 years of Obama. Thereby hijacking the thread and turning it into a partisan slanging match.

Clearer?


That was not sixstrings, the OP's intent. Robust democratic debate, which is what he invited, is precisely what emerged. Clearly, my points (as per sixstrings invite) were derailed when FM accused me of being a nutter but I can't see where I departed from sixstrings remit and name calling seldom silences me.
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby papa moose » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 00:37:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')hat was not sixstrings, the OP's intent. ...

ok, maybe i was wrong, happens all the time, i can admit it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '.')..Robust democratic debate, which is what he invited, is precisely what emerged. Clearly, my points (as per sixstrings invite) were derailed when FM accused me of being a nutter but I can't see where I departed from sixstrings remit and name calling seldom silences me.

Ah so he trolled you and you entered into a "democratic debate"?
Heck, they guy tried to use the "weiner republic" as an argument, and i really don't think that was a typo on his part.
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby papa moose » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 00:58:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', 'M')y comment was to point out that 6 started a thread about how "quiet" the forum was and Pops made the observation that new comers to the site interested in PO would be unlikely to be impressed by partisan wranggling (on any topic) and name calling.


The inverse of that though is that Obama posts DRIVE traffic to the site. Which helps the site owner pay the bills, no? Also people landing here from a current events google search may learn a thing or two about peak oil while they're here. In the end I think more traffic is better, whereas a closed group could wind up like malthusia with nobody there.


Fair point, altho surely the site owner gets just as much cash from me lurking as he does from you posting? i actually have no idea about this, does the owner get a dollar every time i hit refresh during the day or does he only get paid for new visits?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')Thing is.. this site was never going to be another "Oil Drum." PO.com used to be in the middle ground between the fastcrash doomier LATOC and the more serious TOD. I don't think we even have enough experts on this forum to keep it alive as a hard core oil-only site.

I came here when LATOC crashed, i don't recall how i came across LATOC altho that was not my first knowledge of PO.
I'm not sure i agree with u defining LATOC as fast crash and PO.com as "long road", perhaps it was all the adds they had for Mountain Foods.
OT is Matt's star gazing still predicting TEOTWAWKI or has he come over all warm and fuzzy BAU?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'W')henever I post something more on topic with this forum, nobody replies. I don't want to do a blog, I like the discussions. So if people don't reply on something I don't post that kind of thing anymore.

A lot of Graeme's posts don't elicit much response, that doesn't mean that they aren't an interesting read.

as i said i appreciate those that post interesting intelliegently to this board. the people that rant and spam and troll and bicker just piss me off by wasting my time.
nothing wrong with some personal interplay but if peopel want to be besties they should spend more time on facebook.
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby roccman » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 01:12:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I') think things have been quiet because the main result of oil production peaking hasn't been energy shortages----it has been a global FINANCIAL crisis.

While Colin Campbell and other peak oil visionaries have long predicted that the oil peak would produce a series of financial crises, leading economists and politicians in the US and elsewhere have largely ignored the effect of high energy prices on the economy. Its just not mentioned in the media and its not an issue in the current US campaign.

Peak oil has become the backdrop to current events rather then being treated as a very important current event it deserves to be.


yep

po is being defined by economic collapse

we are staring right into the belly of the beast, but most see it as "bad bankers" or "mcdonald employees buying 500K homes"

declining net per capita energy + rising commodity prices + high unemployment = BOOOOOOOOOOOOM! (and not in the boom or bust way).

now if i were king of the world - i too would intentionally collapse the economy to mask the effects of po - usher in a kill off - and mop up the corpes - to start it all over again - with less people and more of everything else.

but that is just me

i do wonder sometimes how it came to be that ARMs were set to adjust - just as oil was peaking...coincidence? hmmm...

again - if i were king - and i knew of overshoot and peak everything - i would premptively collapse demand (by collapsing the economy)...by ummm...maybe setting a fuse...like oh....a 3-5 year adjustable rate mortgage...while at the same time artificially inflating the price of oil...to oh...$150/barrel..

but again that is just me.

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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby americandream » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 01:15:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')hat was not sixstrings, the OP's intent. ...
ok, maybe i was wrong, happens all the time, i can admit it.
Ah so he trolled you and you entered into a "democratic debate"?
Heck, they guy tried to use the "weiner republic" as an argument, and i really don't think that was a typo on his part.

I gathered as much. Whats the alternative? Start a slanging match I simply plod on with my analysis and if it makes it through sufficient for him to reply with some reason and logic, heck, I am happy to have my mind changed.
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby papa moose » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 02:25:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I') gathered as much. Whats the alternative? Start a slanging match I simply plod on with my analysis and if it makes it through sufficient for him to reply with some reason and logic, heck, I am happy to have my mind changed.

Is that why you are here? To have you mind changed? Are you looking for someone to explain away the bad news so that you can go back to BAU? <edit: this isn't an attack on you mate, i wish someone could convince me that PO is bull so that i could go back to sleep.>

I mean you asked me a direct question and my answer is "ignore him", just like i tell my kids. If someone is trash talking you then trash talking back won't likely lead anywhere useful. At the same time if he is trash talking you then he probably isn't interested in learning anything so entering a discussion with him probably won't do your blood pressure much good.

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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby americandream » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 02:32:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', 'I')s that why you are here? To have you mind changed? ... At the same time if he is trash talking you then he probably isn't interested in learning anything so entering a discussion with him probably won't do your blood pressure much good.

Isn't that what debating is about? If you will look at my first post in the thread. I took a position. He rebutted but in a manner that made little sense to me. I am, like most reasonable people open to persuasion....seems a fairly self evident outcome where a superior idea trumps another.

In the midst of these exchanges, name calling or trolling as you term it may warrant some wit which is what occurred in this instance. Obviously entering into a long winded and petulant exchange is another matter. I simply cannot see whats your problem given the circumstances. My suggestion would be, assess a situation before calling time on it, the next time.

edit: No disrespect intended PM. However, when I am correct, I am correct. Non-negotiable. It's nothing personal however.
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby papa moose » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 02:55:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')sn't that what debating is about? If you will look at my first post in the thread. I took a position. He rebutted but in a manner that made little sense to me.

Okay, i went back to the OP and started again, by the time of your first post the whole thread had swung off on a tangent, 6 asked why the place was so quiet, by the time you posted the discussion was side tracking into what caused PO. Fishman's first post addresses Pops but then "quotes" you in a very confusing manner.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..
I am, like most reasonable people open to persuasion....seems a fairly self evident outcome where a superior idea trumps another.

Kind of like Evolution trumping Creationism?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..
In the midst of these exchanges, name calling or trolling as you term it may warrant some wit which is what occurred in this instance. Obviously entering into a long winded and petulant exchange is another matter. I simply cannot see whats your problem given the circumstances. My suggestion would be, assess a situation before calling time on it, the next time.

I wasn't aware that i had a problem? I suppose i should reread my first post, i thought i had made an observation and commented on it and have now spent most of my arvo in a back and forth with you.
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby papa moose » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 02:56:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', '1') Blah blah blah. So we can get by just honky dory?
2 Blah blah blah Wiener republic ...
5 "I do indeed trade and grateful am I for the capacity to survive in this tank of sharks." Translation, all that communist bs AD puts out, its spoken but not practiced.

This is where i gave up on him.
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby papa moose » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 02:57:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'H')ahaha! And so he dons his other personality. Psychologist. Oh dear! Is that too touchy feely leftie. OK then. Psychiatrist. :lol:

This is where i gave up on you.
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby papa moose » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 02:58:08

And this is where i am giving up on this thread. 8)
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby Duende » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 09:58:54

In response to the OP, I would say that a few posters hit the nail on the head.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Plantagenet wrote:
I think things have been quiet because the main result of oil production peaking hasn't been energy shortages----it has been a global FINANCIAL crisis.

+1
It's another case of the missing the forest for the trees. Economic instability is totally masking its root cause: lack of sufficient cheap and easy energy availability. What's interesting to me is how society is responding to the effects in a politically wild way as evidenced by the explosive growth of the Tea Party. People are groping for a culprit for their economic distress; it's just manifesting itself in strange ways.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]papa moose wrote:
I try not to post unless i have something usefull to say...

Me neither. I've been a member of this site for as long as anybody. Hell, I'm probably the biggest lurker there is (considering my puny post count). I'm always confounded by the bulk of drivel at times. However, through it all there are several posters who I really appreciate and follow quite closely.

So let's not freak out. Just remember the root cause of all of this is lack of cheap and easy energy availability... that lens will help as consequences really start to play out in the near term.
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby Pops » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 14:29:04

Six said something about only posting stuff directly related to PO and that isn't what I meant. PO touches everything including politics and economics, in fact they are more important than geology as in Aaron's line:
I don't fear PO, I fear people's reaction.

I learned a long while ago that people come to a message board to talk and in fact the intent of the forum originally was as a social media platform centered around peak oil, a very different thing from TOD's intent by the way. In fact reading through the CoC you'll see there is no rule agains posting non-PO stuff - that would be so easy anyone could do it!

The staff works very hard to make this a place where it's possible to have a decent, adult discussion without stepping on anyone's right to be heard and we sometimes sustain severe bruising hashing out exactly how that should happen.
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby Ferretlover » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 15:05:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')he staff works very hard to make this a place where it's possible to have a decent, adult discussion without stepping on anyone's right to be heard and we sometimes sustain severe bruising hashing out exactly how that should happen.

Not to mention ambushes by some of our less illustrious posters! *giggle*
Pops is right--the reason for this website is to have mature, intelligent discussions on the Peak Oil phenominon(sp?) AND how it is/is going to affect all life on this planet.
Most know this topic is very serious, not to mention a bit maddening at its current slow progress/pace (depending on your views). The effects of Peak Oil are now affecting all walks of life on the whole planet. If you are doing okay, be aware that it moves slowly and WILL get to you.
Just ask those millions on the east coast who have no power, etc. (many of our posters live there) what lessons they are learning. Hurricanes not peak-oil related, you say? What fueled those trucks that brought the plywood and nails? What fuels those hurricane hunter planes? Or got those satellites up in space? What fuels those helicopters making rescues and dropping food? You get my drift? And, now, hurricane Katia looks like she's going to take a similar track.
So, hopefully, you can see why we volunteers work so hard to keep things on track around here. Yes, you can post non-peakoil threads-BUT we'd prefer they have Some tie-in to the website's theme.
And, no, just because someone posts, does NOT mean the site owner makes a bundle of cash. The last I heard, it was a fraction of a penny each time a visitor clicked on a banner ad. Have You contributed?
Finally, every kind thing I can think of to the site's owner for having the foresight to build this site, to my fellow Staff members for the long hours they put in, On A Volunteer Basis to keep this site a place to be proud of, and finally, to all the posters who add their knowledge and personal experiences, in conversations here, so that others may learn. Quite a remarkable commnuity-if you ask me!!
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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby basil_hayden » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:46:56

And now, a word from our sponsors..... *crickets*

OK, roll the "Obama wants to talk about jobs the same time the Republican debate is supposed to take place" tape.

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Re: Forum is quiet lately..

Postby papa moose » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 20:54:33

i would have thought that the advertisers pay for their ads to be on the site and the price they pay is negotiated based on the amount of traffic that the site gets.
That's pretty much how TV does it, a show with high ratings can charge premium prices for an ad slot.
I'll go click on a couple of banner ads just incase u are right.
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