[Armageddon]

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/st ... ran=157050

wonder what the real reason is ?

[UIUCstudent01]

Probably to be sunk and blamed on Iran..

But I'm cynical... and wondering how an attack on Iran is an intelligent move and how it could be sold to the public..

But, it would make sense if this had to do with something with Iran..

[Tyler_JC]

There is no way on this planet during this civilization that the United States would EVER be able to attack Iran effectively. An attack on Iran would bring only misery, death, poverty, and defeat...to Americans.

We don't have the financial resources to start another war. We don't have the political capital in the world to attempt one. We don't have enough soldiers. We don't have enough tanks/trucks. We don't have a willing public. We don't have a reason other than WMDs (and we know how popular that excuse is ). We would be unable to control the Iranian people. We would be inviting an attack on Israel. We lack any kind of plan with regards to an Iranian attack. In short, attacking Iran is Geo-Political suicide.

Not that Bush would be unwilling to do it...I just have a hard time believing that the US would be able to attack Iran. Remember, there are people in the Bush Administration already calling Iraq a failure. How could they justify attacking Iran?

[UIUCstudent01]

So, the whole Iran thing is a fizzle and a lot of loud talk...

Cool.

[Armageddon]

maybe syria first, then after the draft iran will be next. iran would definately be a mistake for the u.s. Iran is being propped up by the chineese and russians big time. the sunburn missiles would take out a few aircraft carriers in the gulf.

[frankthetank]

THink of the spike in oil prices if an invasion would even be brought up or talked about...

[gego]

I don't know squat about Iran other than for the US to attack them seems insanity to me.

But then, Hitler attacked the Soviet Union while he still had the war going with the UK and this certainly cooked his goose.

I see little difference between Hitler and Bush, expecially in the brain power department, so who knows what the ruler of the USA will do.

[Armageddon]

i think bush feels he has to take over every remaining oll field he can and as quick as he can before the chinese do . hes well aware of PO obviousely

[vegasmade]

take a look at the 5 ships- looks like a preliminary assault force. 2 guided missle frigates to loosen up resistence, an assault landing ship to put boots on the ground, a floating dock to move supplies around and a landing dock to unload the heavy stuff. These ships could be in Syria in less than a week, Sudan a little later, or-most likely-the straight of hormuz.

[Armageddon]

something is up

[Roy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut I'm cynical... and wondering how an attack on Iran is an intelligent move and how it could be sold to the public..

[EnemyCombatant]

They don't need to invade Iran to control it. Realize this is how the military industrial complex usually works. Iraq was an exception because they wanted a foothold in the center of the middle east.

To provoke a coup in Iran or SA wouldn't be too difficult. They just need to have their players in place.

Another tactic is provocation. But a faked one. Similar to the way we got into Vietnam. That was by design.

I'll tell ya, these guys are always dreaming war.

If I am wrong and we do actually invade Iran, well that means, things are much worse/serious than I thought. If controlling Iran via a puppet government is not enough, then this means they have more sinister intentions in the middle east. It appears the best case scenario is a coup. My iranian friend told me the young people there are itching for this. They would even welcome an American invasion.

But if we do actually invade Iran, then the fight is going to go beyond our 3 dimensional realm. This means this war is about something else than oil.

[BiGG]

What’s with all the conspiracy theories here? This quote from the article: “The ships and their crews, including special operation forces, will work with allies to detect, disrupt and deny international terrorist organizations the use of the maritime environment” clearly says what they are there for.

[EnemyCombatant]

You are being funny, right.

I mean, you believe what the nice government tells the boys and girls.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us." (George H.W. Bush)

[AirlinePilot]

BiGG,

This is also my observation. There are too many folks here on this forum who let their emotions get the better of them on many subjects and topics. The lack of factual evidence backing up the claims of conspiracy on just about any topic you pick amazes me. It amazes me becuase I initially thought that the people who post and lurk here are fairly intelligent and would not resort to vehicles which back their political motivations. They do so without real evidence, only thier emotional "holier than though" attitudes with which they preach. The pervasive attitude that the US government is evil, Bush is Satan incarnate, and that anyone who lives in the United States is somehow devoid of the ability to think and reason astonishes me. I think everyone who uses these forums to lash out at ANYONE else should think very hard about it before they do it again.

I am here to learn and discuss the issues of peak oil, the ramifications of that particular problem and how we might figure out how to deal with it as a society in the future. I am not here to debate politics or the latest conspiracy theory so I try not to engage in those type of threads any more. I think if you want to talk conspiracy you should move to other forums where you can feed that fix.

As you get older you realize we don't live in a perfect world, sometimes shit happens, its just the way it is. Instead of bashing everything in sight, figure out how to fix what little part of it you can. If more folks did that we might have a shot at this peak oil thing looming on the horizon.

[EnemyCombatant]

If you don't look at the big picture you are trying to fix the wrong problem. In order to fix the problem, we have to get to the root of the problem. We can't fight the war on terrorism by killing a bunch of Arabs in Iraq, can we?

There is nothing wrong with you guys considering other paths. I beleive this is the current events board, there is another board for discussing peak oil issues.

[bobcousins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BiGG', 'W')hat’s with all the conspiracy theories here? This quote from the article: “The ships and their crews, including special operation forces, will work with allies to detect, disrupt and deny international terrorist organizations the use of the maritime environment” clearly says what they are there for.

[jackal42]

And now they have sent out some stealth bombers also. You think they are for disrupting terrosrist maritime activitys?
because if so, then those AK47's are damn good to warrant 5 ships and 15 stealth jets.

[Tyler_JC]

BTW EnemyCombatant, it's "So this is how liberty dies -- to thunderous applause"

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jackal42', 'A')nd now they have sent out some stealth bombers also. You think they are for disrupting terrosrist maritime activitys?
because if so, then those AK47's are damn good to warrant 5 ships and 15 stealth jets.