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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby peeker01 » Sun 14 Aug 2011, 20:24:11

Absolutely zero information in that post. Try again.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 14 Aug 2011, 20:33:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'A')bsolutely zero information in that post. Try again.


You're the one asserting this "destroy" concept with no proof. Not my job to disprove your assertion when you've not even offered evidence to support it.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby peeker01 » Sun 14 Aug 2011, 20:55:19

The entire southern half of the country understands the threat of illegal immigration. I just
don't have the heart to explain it to you, professor.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 14 Aug 2011, 21:02:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'T')he entire southern half of the country understands the threat of illegal immigration. I just don't have the heart to explain it to you, professor.


So... we're gonna be destroyed, by Mexican kids, because you say so, but I've been here all my life, and my family has been here several generations, and neither myself, nor them, can find this "destroy" thing you refer to.

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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby peeker01 » Sun 14 Aug 2011, 21:22:04

I give up.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 14 Aug 2011, 21:27:54

So back to the topic at hand, Rasmussen poll on GW, why do so many Americans distrust scientific statements concerning climate change and global warming?
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby peeker01 » Sun 14 Aug 2011, 21:31:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'W')hy is Mexico a problem? They seem reasonably modest with regard to production of CO2...

Mark my words on this thread, within the century Anglos in the US will observe the extended family structure that the Mexican immigrants continue to maintain, and will eventually capitulate to the only remaining visible vestige of sanity.


Does this look familiar, professor?
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 14 Aug 2011, 21:49:48

So if 69% of Americans think climatologists have falsified their research, exactly why is that the case? That's a lot more folks than just the Elvis Factor, and its very nearly the same as what you'd get if you went looking for people with strong religious beliefs; as was discussed on a previous post concerning the percentage of Americans that belief in the inerrancy of the Bible as well as those who consider the Bible a true religious text but wouldn't assert literalness to its stories.

In fact, that number is so large, that there is no way that it can avoid including some significant number of Democrats; given that there are Republicans who are on the AGW+ team.

My personal opinion on this level of distrust is that people have been taught here, in this country, that science is a vehicle that is hostile to religion, and that no practicing scientist could ever be a devout, religious person. This perception is furthered every time those on the AGW- side hold up a candidate piece of FUD and lace it with vague religious tones and references, a perfect bait to areligious people attack and demonstrate their opposition to faith, thus linking that opposition to faith with the AGW+ team's message.

In the end, in popular culture and perception, anyone that claims to be a scientist must oppose religion, faith, and belief. Anyone that opposes faith, otoh, is instantly untrustworthy to a very large majority of the American electorate.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Sun 14 Aug 2011, 21:53:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'S')o back to the topic at hand, Rasmussen poll on GW, why do so many Americans distrust scientific statements concerning climate change and global warming?


Maybe because these so-called scientists are engaged in politics and refuse to show their work?
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 14 Aug 2011, 22:07:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'M')aybe because these so-called scientists are engaged in politics and refuse to show their work?


While I agree that many are engaged in politics (and failing horribly at it), I don't think its fair to say they refuse to show their work. Most publish in peer reviewed journals and are hardly scarce at conferences. Its fair to say that many in the AGW opposition camp dispute the works, or more often, the data sets used, but most seem as accessible as one might need in order to challenge or knowledgeably assent to the stated conclusions.

Perhaps their work would have fared better in the public arena had they left the politics to the politicians, because it seems clear enough to me that all they managed to do was cement sides for an against a very limited set of activities around political parties, thus assuring that no action could ever occur regardless of the validity of the science.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 15 Aug 2011, 01:08:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'S')o back to the topic at hand, Rasmussen poll on GW, why do so many Americans distrust scientific statements concerning climate change and global warming?


Aside from the constant political indoctrination funded by the fossil fuel industry, there is a strong element of emotional denial.

But taking the propaganda angle first, notice that this is probably roughly the (Rasmussen) number for the % of the population who believes there were WMD in Iraq. So it's not that they are hopelessly skeptical, it's that we have a propaganda machine that can sell people hoaxes like WMD and hoaxes like ClimateGate.This is not skepticism, they are endlessly gullible. And the GOP has learned they can dispense with policy completely and just rely on conspiracy theories.

But the denial thing is also powerful, because nobody wants to acknowledge personal responsibility and, as always, anger is the easiest out.

Of course if you asked people if they really believe there is a global conspiracy promoting what must be the lamest hoax ever (compared to say Iraq dreaded aluminum tubes, whoa, just scared myself there) that somehow is still chugging right along, they'll just throw the brain into neutral and get pissed off.

Anger is denial (forgetting is repression). Notice the conservative response to nearly anything is anger, or at least fake anger, since every issue requires lots and lots of yelling.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Mon 15 Aug 2011, 15:45:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'M')aybe because these so-called scientists are engaged in politics and refuse to show their work?


While I agree that many are engaged in politics (and failing horribly at it), I don't think its fair to say they refuse to show their work. Most publish in peer reviewed journals and are hardly scarce at conferences. Its fair to say that many in the AGW opposition camp dispute the works, or more often, the data sets used, but most seem as accessible as one might need in order to challenge or knowledgeably assent to the stated conclusions.

Perhaps their work would have fared better in the public arena had they left the politics to the politicians, because it seems clear enough to me that all they managed to do was cement sides for an against a very limited set of activities around political parties, thus assuring that no action could ever occur regardless of the validity of the science.


James Hansen, Michael Mann, East Anglia. It all points to radical left wing politics, not science.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby Lore » Mon 15 Aug 2011, 17:07:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'J')ames Hansen, Michael Mann, East Anglia. It all points to radical left wing politics, not science.


And the many thousands of scientists across the planet. They must be practicing radical left wing politics too in Russia and China?
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby peeker01 » Mon 15 Aug 2011, 17:12:41

I can't believe you said that Lore :-D
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 15 Aug 2011, 17:17:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'J')ames Hansen, Michael Mann, East Anglia. It all points to radical left wing politics, not science.


Was watching a Hansen presentation yesterday, his science is fine; its the garbage solutions he comes up with that are left wing. The tax and redistribute thing is about as left wing wacko as you could imagine. After he suggested that, I couldn't figure out if he cared more about climate, or cutting $5,000 checks for illiterate winos.

Better answer, Tax carbon and repeal the income and estate taxes with the acquired revenue.

Of course, that would be a right wing answer, not left.

If you want a neutral one, tax carbon, and use the proceeds to cover liability and legal costs of non-carbon releasing electricity producers.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 16 Aug 2011, 01:17:24

Been browsing the web the last couple days, looking for doomer pr0n and other entertainments about climate change, extinction, death, decay, doom, and other fun things.

There really is very little place for a right winger to feel comfortable on the web; every last one of the sites I ran across that were supposedly about climate change, were spending a good half their powder advocating for various and sundry left wing policy positions completely unrelated to climate. I honestly hadn't done this before, so I was a bit surprised by the uniformity of it all. The level of intolerance and closed mindedness was pretty overwhelming!

Obviously, or so I'm lead to believe, one must engage in huge, redistributive social programs in order to halt CO2 emissions and remove some of it from the atmosphere. I've not quite figured out the chemistry of this assertion though....

Perhaps I'd have more fun writing FUD, even if it is dishonest! (not, but still...)
And yall wonder why the science of Climate Change is rejected by a large swath of the American Electorate.
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