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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 03:08:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'P')ercent Who Believe in...
Bible Inerrancy / Evolution


I don't know any scientifically inclined degree toters who would choose the words "believe in" and "evolution" together. Evolution is science, not something to be believed in, you use it, accept it, test it, and rip it to shreds the moment you think you found a better explanation. That's how science is, it requires no faith, and no belief. If you have faith or belief in a scientific concept; then you are doing it wrong.

The other problem.... "Biblical Inerrancy" is held as doctrine by only a very few protestant sects (which are largely American); Catholics' for instance use a statement for the Bible that goes something like, "Inerrant with regard to the teaching of faith and morals...", in other words, its perfectly fine for the Genesis stories to describe creation the way they do because the faith lesson to be learned there is that God created the universe, and he did it out of nothing. Day counts, orderings, sayings, and whatnot, are all beautiful literary elements that are used to teach that lesson. So, it'd be perfectly understandable for a devout Catholic, practicing biologist to answer "no" to both sides of that question, which would completely mislead the intent but be perfectly truthful.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby yeahbut » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 03:35:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', '.')....this is a thread about global warming.......


Wrong! Basic reading comprehension is tough for some I guess :lol: ...it's a thread about a poll of American citizens and their attitude to climate scientists. As such, some consideration of US citizens' attitude to, and understanding of, science in general is perfectly reasonable IMO. I know from talking to people I come into contact with in the course of my working day here in NZ that knowledge of even the most basic of concepts to do with global climate and it's history is not as common as one might hope for, and yet most people seem to have very firm opinions on the matter anyway! I have no way of knowing if there is a similar situation in the US, but the fact that so many people believe that the bible is the literal explanation for how old planet earth is, how it was created and how we come to find ourselves upon it certainly gives me pause for thought. And calls into question their ability to evaluate climate science or scientists.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby yeahbut » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 03:43:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'P')ercent Who Believe in...
Bible Inerrancy / Evolution


I don't know any scientifically inclined degree toters who would choose the words "believe in" and "evolution" together. Evolution is science, not something to be believed in, you use it, accept it, test it, and rip it to shreds the moment you think you found a better explanation. That's how science is, it requires no faith, and no belief. If you have faith or belief in a scientific concept; then you are doing it wrong.


Quite right, that was a cut and paste that I should have taken the time to alter to, I don't know, 'accept theory of evolution as current best explanation for life on earth' ? or something. My apologies.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he other problem.... "Biblical Inerrancy" is held as doctrine by only a very few protestant sects (which are largely American); Catholics' for instance use a statement for the Bible that goes something like, "Inerrant with regard to the teaching of faith and morals...", in other words, its perfectly fine for the Genesis stories to describe creation the way they do because the faith lesson to be learned there is that God created the universe, and he did it out of nothing. Day counts, orderings, sayings, and whatnot, are all beautiful literary elements that are used to teach that lesson. So, it'd be perfectly understandable for a devout Catholic, practicing biologist to answer "no" to both sides of that question, which would completely mislead the intent but be perfectly truthful.


Well, you know a lot more about it than me, but the question asked in the 2007 Gallup poll was

"Actual word of God, to be taken literally", which 31% of respondents chose, as opposed to

"Inspired by word of God", which 47% of respondents chose.

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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby americandream » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 04:15:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', '.')....this is a thread about global warming.......


Wrong! Basic reading comprehension is tough for some I guess :lol: ...it's a thread about a poll of American citizens and their attitude to climate scientists. As such, some consideration of US citizens' attitude to, and understanding of, science in general is perfectly reasonable IMO. I know from talking to people I come into contact with in the course of my working day here in NZ that knowledge of even the most basic of concepts to do with global climate and it's history is not as common as one might hope for, and yet most people seem to have very firm opinions on the matter anyway! I have no way of knowing if there is a similar situation in the US, but the fact that so many people believe that the bible is the literal explanation for how old planet earth is, how it was created and how we come to find ourselves upon it certainly gives me pause for thought. And calls into question their ability to evaluate climate science or scientists.


:lol: Good one yb.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby AdTheNad » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 04:49:34

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')I also suspect the GW camp knows that most adults don't beleave(sic) them, thats(sic) why the(sic) are going to the young like the cigarette companies use(sic) to or still do,
they are now targeting cartoons to preach their religion to the young..

It's interesting that you bring up the tactics of cigarette companies, but neglect to mention how the anti AGW camp employ the very same PR companies and tactics as those used by tobacco firms to deny reality, leading to the premature deaths of countless people.

I'm sure god will forgive you for siding with mass murderers though right?
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby yeahbut » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 05:11:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdTheNad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'I') also suspect the GW camp knows that most adults don't beleave(sic) them, thats(sic) why the(sic) are going to the young like the cigarette companies use(sic) to or still do,
they are now targeting cartoons to preach their religion to the young..

It's interesting that you bring up the tactics of cigarette companies, but neglect to mention how the anti AGW camp employ the very same PR companies and tactics as those used by tobacco firms to deny reality, leading to the premature deaths of countless people.


Absolutely. Good point Ad. Anyone doubting the veracity of this post, have yourself a little read of the book Merchants of Doubt. The same scientists working for the same PR companies, over and over again, with the same tactics, attempting to cast doubt on a raft of nasty, life-threatening stuff like DDT, tobacco smoke, acid rain, and of course now AGW. It's a really fascinating read.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 11:14:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'W')ell, you know a lot more about it than me, but the question asked in the 2007 Gallup poll was
"Actual word of God, to be taken literally", which 31% of respondents chose, as opposed to
"Inspired by word of God", which 47% of respondents chose.


Yeah, you're seeing right there the difference in that doctrinal approach; and 31% being a good guess for those particular protestant sects in the US in addition to those who many not directly practice but generally believe as they do as a result of association. It should also be noted that this poll is a pick 1 of 3; so the number of people that trust the Bible as a religious text is at least 78%. Can't say whether some of those in the third category "ancient fables..." hold the Bible as a trustworthy religious text, so it might be a bit higher, and would be adequate to explain any variation between percentage of practicing Christians+Jews and the 78% combined number above. I could see a solid number of modern, practicing Jews selecting that third box, while still accepting the text as a source of inspirational religious material for themselves.

It also explains why, even in this age, teaching evolution and natural selection in biology almost always raises hackles and makes politicians quiver in their boots. Blocks of 30% are very hazardous to cross as a politician. Make them mad enough, and they'll ALL show up, and ALL vote against you, and you will become an EX representative.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby AgentR11 » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 11:21:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdTheNad', 'I')'m sure god will forgive you for siding with mass murderers though right?


Hey, its not my side that takes such an incredibly important issue, and makes it less important than achieving their other political objectives. At least my side has a sizable chunk of morons who really don't believe its happening, voting to represent their opinion in the legislature is at least honest.

I'm telling you, you could sell a carbon tax system in a heartbeat if you really wanted to. But the left doesn't really care about carbon, they only care about the enhanced revenue.

Replace income and estate taxes with a carbon tax, and keep the take the same.
Yes, it would alter the burden sharing chart. But you'd have your carbon tax, and a mechanism to use the market to drive down emissions.

Unfortunately, it would fail to further your other policy objectives, and therefore, it, and the protection of the climate system, are unworthy.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby peeker01 » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 14:06:00

Quiet Pee.......Rush is on!
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby timmac » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 15:53:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '
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Don't you have a $70,000 heater in your living room to attend to.. :lol:
So I take it you believe that long-tern investment is unwise? That prepping for a lower-energy future is wrong? That I am unwise contributing to the social good and a sane environment. Gotta a idea for ya'? Split. Bye. You're in the wrong place


Lets see, take one $70,000 heater for a 1700 sq ft house in a mild winter climate zone, now is that a long term investment ?, " maybe " if you was 18 years old but not for a 62 year old man..

I would have took the $70,000 bought a near new motorhome with slide outs and all and traveled and enjoyed life, I bet thats what your wife is thinking while you are fiddling with your heater..

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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby basil_hayden » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:02:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '
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Don't you have a $70,000 heater in your living room to attend to.. :lol:
So I take it you believe that long-tern investment is unwise? That prepping for a lower-energy future is wrong? That I am unwise contributing to the social good and a sane environment. Gotta a idea for ya'? Split. Bye. You're in the wrong place


Lets see, take one $70,000 heater for a 1700 sq ft house in a mild winter climate zone, now is that a long term investment ?, " maybe " if you was 18 years old but not for a 62 year old man..

I would have took the $70,000 bought a near new motorhome with slide outs and all and traveled and enjoyed life, I bet thats what your wife is thinking while you are fiddling with your heater..

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Once again displaying why you couldn't debate a wet paper bag as its IQ exceeds yours?

Your ilk are the petroleum problem, thinking about yourself and not the next people to own your house doublewide.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby peeker01 » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:05:16

Peet, do you really have a 70K heater???? How is that possible???
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby timmac » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:12:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')First of all you dickweed, the system costs half that amount. I already explained that.


Oh yea thats where you got the tax payers in Cali to flip the other half cost because it was green, is that right, if so that is almost like welfare for your house heating bill.. :shock:
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby timmac » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:25:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')So no utility bills for me. I also have a 120' deep water well. No water bills. I also have pasture, orchard, and gardens. No food costs. I am set. I have security. I have brains..


Well pstarr let me give you some advice and its for free, you see you have had your house posted on WSJ, and probably been noticed by your local paper, even posted it here on P.O., you have gave out your almost location, good enough for any zombie in your area to find, bet I could find it, not that I would care, so with that said are you sure your security is good now..

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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')So no utility bills for me. I also have a 120' deep water well. No water bills. I also have pasture, orchard, and gardens. No food costs. I am set. I have security. I have brains..


Well pstarr let me give you some advice and its for free, you see you have had your house posted on WSJ, and probably been noticed by your local paper, even posted it here on P.O., you have gave out your almost location, good enough for any zombie in your area to find, bet I could find it, not that I would care, so with that said are you sure your security is good now..

:roll:


My guess is you didn't catch the bigger guns comment, which he can afford since he's lowered his climate control and food bills.

Vegas has fried your brain.
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Re: Rasmussen Poll On Global Warming

Unread postby timmac » Thu 11 Aug 2011, 16:37:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', '
')My guess is you didn't catch the bigger guns comment, which he can afford since he's lowered his climate control and food bills.

Vegas has fried your brain.



Guns are only as good as the shooter, and you better keep it loaded and by your side at all times than, oh yea the smart zombies know its best to attack when your a sleep, so I guess one should not sleep when SHTF if you got what they want..

As for me my preps and my location stays a secret, and I will look poor and food less if SHTF, now who has better security..
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