[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'S')o AD, have a nice break?

First, there is no collective, besides the collective farm we are resident in. The farm is owned by it's owners, not by the animals and there ain't going to be no Orwellian revolution any time soon.

Second, was that you goiung on about Gulags for people who get caught with drugs? Those who resist slavery on the collective farm?

Now after a few weeks holiday you want to expouse the diginity of personal liberty? Where did you go? Maybe learned something?

[peeker01]

AD, I'd love to discuss this with you, but I can't really make out a word of what you are
taking about. Try turning up the mike gain!

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'A')D, I'd love to discuss this with you, but I can't really make out a word of what you are
taking about. Try turning up the mike gain!

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daniel_Plainview', 'A')s the cornies become more desperate, they will fixate onto any outlier that supports their vision ....

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'A')D, I'd love to discuss this with you, but I can't really make out a word of what you are
taking about. Try turning up the mike gain!

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'A')D, I'd love to discuss this with you, but I can't really make out a word of what you are
taking about. Try turning up the mike gain!

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Do you know the difference between an objective and normative asessment of issues?

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Do you know the difference between an objective and normative asessment of issues?

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'N')ot even one word in regard to Ruppert's failed predictions on his website.....

http://www.collapsenet.com/

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'S')eems alot of these people have failed in the real world, and want to see the rules re-written.

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Along with some understanding of where you, as a labourer and American stand, in a world of non-patriotic globalising owners of capital, including Americans, Saudis, Chinese, British, New Zealand, Indians, etc, etc (some of whom own the media of many nations yet plough no nationalisms in their financial affairs, such as Murdoch the Australian with his Chinese "communist" party wife) and owner of Fox.) Obviously something that has not crossed your mind as you bask in your Fox made Americaness.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Along with some understanding of where you, as a labourer and American stand, in a world of non-patriotic globalising owners of capital, including Americans, Saudis, Chinese, British, New Zealand, Indians, etc, etc (some of whom own the media of many nations yet plough no nationalisms in their financial affairs, such as Murdoch the Australian with his Chinese "communist" party wife) and owner of Fox.) Obviously something that has not crossed your mind as you bask in your Fox made Americaness.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sir.Henry', 'I')n this ad (click the link) a false Tom Brown Jr. talks about this great web site, when in fact nobody heard of him in the last... hm... 20 years or so.
His school has been dismantled for sure, i can post some photographs if needed.

[americandream]

Ruppert means well but alas, I don't think he quite has a grasp on how resilient the incomplete globalising project of capitalism is.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'h')ere's where I beat to a different drum, what is happening today is what was written in a book that you need to spend sometime into its words

[Novus]

Ruppert was pretty spot on if you ask me. The US came within a hair's breath of default just Yesterday. That is not something that happens everyday. China down graded US debt as a result and since they are the only ones buying it IS a big deal. It sent gold to another new record. The US debt crisis isn't over and anyone with a working brain knows it. The appropriations committee has to figure out what programs to actually cut by Oct 1 or the US could be in for another default. This problem will never go away as it will be harder and harder to paper over the lost trillions. The Euro is on the rocks as well because Greece, Italy, and Ireland are effectively already in default. The beggar thy neighbor approach will not save the Euro from its' fate. The MSM is acting like this is the new normal but it is not. This is what global collapse looks like. Countries teetering on the brink and never recovering their stability.

[highlander]

No, there was never any real danger of default. Obama always had his out, he just didn't want to use it.
China is not the only buyer of US debt. the FED ends up with the majority. That is what quantitative easing is.
You are right about the fact the crisis is not over, and your assessment of what worldwide economic collapse looks like.

[Timo]

This is my take on things, not that anyone is particularly interested. Clearly, we are in the midst of a global economic restructuring based entirely on the failed premise that debt equals prosperity and can continue forever. Prosperity has been contorted into a default right by most of the planet, hence we have all of the unsustainable social safety net programs like social security, Medicare, food stamps, and so on. The US is not the only country with these types of programs, btw. These programs were created to fill a specific need at a specific time in each nation's history. Those needs still exist for a great number of people, but their existence has created a dependency on them instead of being the safety net that they were inteded to be. For a great number of people, these programs are necessary to support their lives and families. But, as we have all witnessed over the past month of debt default debate, there is not sustainability mechanism built into these programs that allow them to continue in the manner in which we have all become accustomed and have come to expect. Something has to change. This is the point where the collapse v. decline argument comes in. We have a choice in which path we take. On one side of the debate, to be more specific, the Tea Partiers want to abolish our entire republic system of government by eliminating the ability of every future generation to decide for themselves what their needs and problems are, and how best to address them. They want to create their version of the future right now where no one has anything that they depend on, all in an attempt to claim that they balanced the budget. That method is to not only allow collapse, but to create it, and in fact, insist on it. The consequences of this action would/will be catastrophic to both the survival of this country as a republic, and to tens of millions of its citizens. The other path is to minimize the transition into our collective new reality by recognizing that the current system is broken (done), agreeing on a method of getting from here to there (in process), and a sensible timeframe to allow a minimally disruptive transition (tbd). This will not be easy and there will be unprecedented political turmoil as we head down this road, but this road is reality, and there are no other roads to take. The s*it has hit the fan and we all have to pay the piper. Now, for me personally, i'm already near the bottom of the financial totem pole, so in that sense, i don't stand to lose a heck of a lot of money. I reckon a lot of you out there are in the same position. Those who stand to lose a lot are those who currently have a lot. The tired old cliche, "He who dies with the most toys wins" will become "He who has the most toys will fall the farthest." I've been crawling through this life for 45 years, and if i fall, it's just a matter of inches. Those who own and live in skyscrapers will fall along, long ways. The new paradigm of "sustainability" is even on its way out because there quickly won't be anything left to sustain. The new paradigm will become "resiliency." Those wo can adapt the fastest to the new reality will win by simply surviving. Those who can't adapt, or won't, they will collapse.

[Anvil]

Sometimes Mikes right and sometimes he is wrong. What matters is his basic message is right. It takes some real guts to stand up and say somethings every one hates. So in the i have to admire the guy. But listen to him with a grain of salt.

Whats the difference between fast crash and slow crash doomers in the end were all just as f**ked in the end?
The only difference is i can guess at is psychology.

[AgentR11]

@Timo...
I think I've talked about this before; but the hollywood image of the stockbroker blowing his brains out after the stock market crash in '29 is mostly just hollywood selling to the masses based on reactionary "get even with em" mindsets.

I just don't buy it, none seem at all frail, many have substantial rural or protected residences, as well as places to stay internationally and offshore. There won't be any, "woe as me, my life isn't worth living..." from these guys. They are largely prepared, ready, tenacious and have every intention of being king of the hill, even if the all that's left of the hill is a stinky pile of dung.