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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby PrestonSturges » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 13:27:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('prajeshbhat', 'T')he liberals have done a lot more for the common people than the republicans. It was Franklin D Roosevelt (Democrat) who pulled the US out of depression. It was the powerful labor movements that created the most prosperous society on earth.

WW II pulled world out of depression and liberals have built unsustainable Cornucopia which is now falling apart.

It's also worth remembering that Roosevelt had to push for financial aid to Britain and prepare for possible entry into ww2 while the GOP pursued appeasement and collaboration with the Nazis.

That is essentially the split that we still see today. And I'm not making that up either, it's according to the movement conservatives, who claim the "Frankfurt School" Jews took over America after they escaped Hitler.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby PrestonSturges » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 13:32:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'L')ife expectancy? Is this a doomer board, or are we only just pretending for purposes of advancing a political preference?

No, seriously.

Most of the people here, including conservatives, joined during the Bush administration.

You're a bright guy, I'm sure you can connect the dots.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby Sixstrings » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 13:34:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'I')t's also worth remembering that Roosevelt had to push for financial aid to Britain and prepare for possible entry into ww2 while the GOP pursued appeasement and collaboration with the Nazis.

That is essentially the split that we still see today. And I'm not making that up either, it's according the movement conservatives, who claim the "Frankfurt School" Jews took over America after they escaped Hitler.


That's a bit unfair.. you have to remember that at the time, nobody knew what pure evil fascism would turn out to be. We know that now, in hindsight, but before it turned dark fascists were creating booming economies, socialist policies for the working classes, and made the trains run on time. That all looked pretty darn good back in the Great Depression.

I think Republicans were attracted to fascists because of the corporate government model. The socialism component is interesting, Hitler's Germany was definitely socialist, yet modern day fascists like we've seen in South America were not socialists. And fascist neocons most definitely aren't socialists.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 13:37:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('prajeshbhat', 'T')he liberals have done a lot more for the common people than the republicans. It was Franklin D Roosevelt (Democrat) who pulled the US out of depression. It was the powerful labor movements that created the most prosperous society on earth.

WW II pulled world out of depression and liberals have built unsustainable Cornucopia which is now falling apart.

It's also worth remembering that Roosevelt had to push for financial aid to Britain and prepare for possible entry into ww2 while the GOP pursued appeasement and collaboration with the Nazis.

Brits were also considering to collaborate with Nazis for a while.
Ever heard about Earl of Halifax?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat is essentially the split that we still see today. And I'm not making that up either, it's according the movement conservatives, who claim the "Frankfurt School" Jews took over America after they escaped Hitler.

Jews have problems everywhere and a lot of evil real and imaginary is blamed on them.
They are initially very successful in host nation, then they are corrupting workings of that nation and then there is violent retaliation of the desperate host mob resulting in "pogroms", holocausts or whatever you name it.
This story repeats itself again and again wherever there is a large number of Jews present.
Tough life...
I suppose that God chosen peoples must be hated by all others... human nature.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby AgentR11 » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 14:01:52

I'm not really trying to redebate the merits of these separate social issues; people have positions on them, and that's fine. Someone posted dismay about the huge chunk of electoral votes that the democrats should own economically; and I'm only pointing out why they can't get them.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'W')hat crimes are you referring to.. voting rights for blacks? Integration? Forcing Woolworth to let blacks eat at the lunch counter?


1994 Crime Bill. AW Ban.
Continuous denigration of southern hick culture in media.
Can't do piddle to your land without environmental permits (or the perception is at least)
It all adds up. Bit by bit.

You're too focused on race. Race is stupid. Hick southern white girls and boys are dating hick southern black boys and girls these days. Yeah, there are some last remaining morons wandering around, but its gotten old. If you need a race thing, whats left of it has mostly morphed into objection to a perception that blacks get preferential selection for the blue collar government jobs. A sense that "white good ole boy" need not apply; only takes a few instances in a community for this kind of perception to stick.

Now, if you don't want to believe me, that's fine. Its not the Republicans who wish these folks would change their voting pattern. They want respect for their lifestyle and communities. They want the government to not interfere with how they raise their kids. Republicans deliver that respect, even those of us who do not live in the sticks, respect their right to do so, and acknowledge that it has its own dignity and worth every bit as important as fancy city life.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd so, while Southerners were once firmly in the "poor man's" Democratic Party, extending working class rights to blacks too was just too much for them. They'd sooner vote against their own economic interest than be in a party with people of color.


You're stuck in the past, and its why you can't make progress with these folks. You think that by calling them racist you can shame them into voting for you? That might work for a couple years, but the shift was made decades ago; the guilt vote died a long time ago; and simply has no potency to move an electorate. The ones that are racist, don't care anymore whether you call them that; the ones that aren't have long since demonstrated to themselves that they truly aren't; and that the northern liberals who'd like to shame them into submission are simply full of s....

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ronically black folks used to be Republican, since it was Republicans who freed the slaves (Lincoln). There were even some black Republican Senators and judges after the Civil War, before the Jim Crow laws got passed.


This is true. My understanding is that the shift happened in the early 20th century when a certain Republican moron decided it was important to break up black owned nascent financial institutions. Dumbest political move in the history of the planet. But done is done.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')But look at the crowds.. they're all white, not very diverse. I heard a bizarre clip the other day, some southern racist pastor calling Herman Cain "a real black man" while Obama isn't.


Obama is as much not black, as he is black. Not that that has much value if you ask me. As to crowd diversity, this is simply the result of the Dem's owning 90% of the black vote. Its fine. Self selection of social groups is not an indication of racism. Otherwise, we'd have to torment black baptist and white mormon churches. That'd be stupid.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')a they should give up on the guns issue. Abortion rights are still a sticking point though. These darn cultural issues.. they caused the Civil War.. and are still screwing up our politics.

Abortion is a wedge, but its not as potent for this particular slice I don't think. Parental control over minor's access to abortion, sure, that'd push some buttons here, but abortion in general as an issue cuts all the way from top to bottom economically. So its a null'ed set.

Guns though... The Dems stomped on something they didn't even know was there, they stomped on it hard too. If you remember at the time, there was a huge influx of imported chinese SKS rifles; real cheap things, horrible triggers, but tons of them, they shot well, were corrosion resistant, cartridge basically the same as a 30/30 which was/is a long time favorite deer round in the South. Basically, a good ole boy could get an indestructible semi-auto hunting rifle for $100, with tons of cheap ammo before that stupid law. And yall stomped right into it. Every instance of someone noting to themselves that federal law now suggested that owning what they did the day before is worthy of a felony conviction and years in prison... has a lot of cultural, lasting impact; and that law hit millions right up side the head.

No, you gotta do a lot more than just drop it. Yall need to do something substantial to undo the harm that now follows as a default assumption concerning Democrats. For now, it just appears that they are avoiding the issue and waiting for a new opportunity to further restrict.

Of course, guns aren't the only social issue in play like this; parental authority is also something that is perceived by these folks as something that liberals absolutely want to destroy. You can go down the line of very finely teased issues, but they have a lot of impact because the federal intervention is very noticeable and quite annoying, to people who do not react well to being annoyed.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby AgentR11 » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 14:03:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'Y')ou're a bright guy, I'm sure you can connect the dots.


Yeah, I know, doesn't mean I can't poke fun at it though.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby PrestonSturges » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 14:07:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'I')t's also worth remembering that Roosevelt had to push for financial aid to Britain and prepare for possible entry into ww2 while the GOP pursued appeasement and collaboration with the Nazis.

That is essentially the split that we still see today. And I'm not making that up either, it's according the movement conservatives, who claim the "Frankfurt School" Jews took over America after they escaped Hitler.


That's a bit unfair.. you have to remember that at the time, nobody knew what pure evil fascism would turn out to be. We know that now, in hindsight, but before it turned dark fascists were creating booming economies, socialist policies for the working classes, and made the trains run on time. That all looked pretty darn good back in the Great Depression.

I think Republicans were attracted to fascists because of the corporate government model. The socialism component is interesting, Hitler's Germany was definitely socialist, yet modern day fascists like we've seen in South America were not socialists.

They only cooked up the theory about "cultural Marxism" and the Jews of the Frankfurt School in the 1990s. Pat Buchanan wrote a whole book about it. Supposedly these Jews created political correctness and multiculturalism. This seems to be conservative dog whistle to people who feel Hitler was right, mobilizing whole continents against unarmed Jews is merely their idea of self defense.

The idea the Hitler was "socialist" is dangerously close to Nazi apology and tends to overlap with Holocauast denial. Hitler made socialist promises in the early 1920's, was promising extermination of socialism by the time he wrote Mein Kampf (1929) and instituted slave labor during the 1930's. Also, Hitler denounced "class warfare" at every turn, while communism of that time was all about "class struggle."Saying Hitler was a "socialist" seems to appeal to certain right wingers who want to go domestic terrorist and white supremacist while avoiding the use of swastikas. It's like the Oslo terrorist claiming to support Israel - it allows embracing every aspects of Nazism while claiming not to be a Nazi.

The Oslo terrorist did not say Hitler was a socialist. But last year they ran a story about socialist Hitler on SodaHead, and of course everyone agreed Hitler was socialist. Last week, Sodahead asked if they thought Anders might have had an account there, and most of people on SodaHead said "Are you kidding, he sounds like most of the people here!"
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby steam_cannon » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 14:36:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CNNMoney', '[')url=http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/01/news/economy/debt_ceiling_deal_cbo/]CBO: Debt ceiling deal cuts at least $2.1 trillion[/url] August 1, 2011: 1:02 PM
The last-minute debt ceiling deal Congress is racing to enact would reduce deficits by at least $2.1 trillion over 10 years.
I can't believe this is still dragging on. I hope they come to some useful compromise this evening, though I'd say at this point our triple A rating is trashed.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('prajeshbhat', 'T')hey broke free from the oppressive paternalistic exploitative society and tried to create a better place to live. I hope peak oil doesn't put an end to social progress.
That's a very adversarial way to look at things. But if I were to describe it as a system, I'd say social living arrangements for societies are often more a spectrum of opportunity created by the energy avaliable which then turns into tradition, rather then simple oppression. It was a saying in the Soviet Union that the progress made by the soviets could never be reversed. However the soviet idea of progress quickly unraveled after they were no longer able to support it by exporting enough oil to cover their costs. The social contract, agreements in living conditions or even selective service, can all be viewed though the lens of oppression, but it's not that simple because it's available energy that creates the spectrum of opportunity and is a huge factor in how people live and how they agree to live. Life is a comprise between what people want and what can be.

With very little energy available early humans out competed other animals by living in family units and by dividing labor. In colonial days, without motor engines distances were too far to easily share labor and they couldn't just pop a turkey in a microwave. Our ancestors only a generation ago did not have the resources for two car households and shouldering $100,000 student debts like we do today. If our society loses access to energy and other resources, then it's very likely we will see a backslide in living conditions and opportunities. And people in this new time will probably agree to their new living conditions or be out competed by a society that does. And then when the spectrum of opportunities changes again, some of these people will be entrenched in the old way and be called oppressors. That's how it goes. So try to have some heart for these people, some people are slow to change, but they do change and everyone has to change at some point. That's the world.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby steam_cannon » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 15:02:29

Looks like things are moving along...
Peak Oil thread: Karl Denninger explains the debt ceiling deal (Aug 01, 2011 4:15 pm )
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby gollum » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 15:18:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I')'m not really trying to redebate the merits of these separate social issues; people have positions on them, and that's fine. Someone posted dismay about the huge chunk of electoral votes that the democrats should own economically; and I'm only pointing out why they can't get them.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'W')hat crimes are you referring to.. voting rights for blacks? Integration? Forcing Woolworth to let blacks eat at the lunch counter?


1994 Crime Bill. AW Ban.
Continuous denigration of southern hick culture in media.
Can't do piddle to your land without environmental permits (or the perception is at least)
It all adds up. Bit by bit.

You're too focused on race. Race is stupid. Hick southern white girls and boys are dating hick southern black boys and girls these days. Yeah, there are some last remaining morons wandering around, but its gotten old. If you need a race thing, whats left of it has mostly morphed into objection to a perception that blacks get preferential selection for the blue collar government jobs. A sense that "white good ole boy" need not apply; only takes a few instances in a community for this kind of perception to stick.

Now, if you don't want to believe me, that's fine. Its not the Republicans who wish these folks would change their voting pattern. They want respect for their lifestyle and communities. They want the government to not interfere with how they raise their kids. Republicans deliver that respect, even those of us who do not live in the sticks, respect their right to do so, and acknowledge that it has its own dignity and worth every bit as important as fancy city life.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd so, while Southerners were once firmly in the "poor man's" Democratic Party, extending working class rights to blacks too was just too much for them. They'd sooner vote against their own economic interest than be in a party with people of color.


You're stuck in the past, and its why you can't make progress with these folks. You think that by calling them racist you can shame them into voting for you? That might work for a couple years, but the shift was made decades ago; the guilt vote died a long time ago; and simply has no potency to move an electorate. The ones that are racist, don't care anymore whether you call them that; the ones that aren't have long since demonstrated to themselves that they truly aren't; and that the northern liberals who'd like to shame them into submission are simply full of s....

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ronically black folks used to be Republican, since it was Republicans who freed the slaves (Lincoln). There were even some black Republican Senators and judges after the Civil War, before the Jim Crow laws got passed.


This is true. My understanding is that the shift happened in the early 20th century when a certain Republican moron decided it was important to break up black owned nascent financial institutions. Dumbest political move in the history of the planet. But done is done.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')But look at the crowds.. they're all white, not very diverse. I heard a bizarre clip the other day, some southern racist pastor calling Herman Cain "a real black man" while Obama isn't.


Obama is as much not black, as he is black. Not that that has much value if you ask me. As to crowd diversity, this is simply the result of the Dem's owning 90% of the black vote. Its fine. Self selection of social groups is not an indication of racism. Otherwise, we'd have to torment black baptist and white mormon churches. That'd be stupid.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')a they should give up on the guns issue. Abortion rights are still a sticking point though. These darn cultural issues.. they caused the Civil War.. and are still screwing up our politics.

Abortion is a wedge, but its not as potent for this particular slice I don't think. Parental control over minor's access to abortion, sure, that'd push some buttons here, but abortion in general as an issue cuts all the way from top to bottom economically. So its a null'ed set.

Guns though... The Dems stomped on something they didn't even know was there, they stomped on it hard too. If you remember at the time, there was a huge influx of imported chinese SKS rifles; real cheap things, horrible triggers, but tons of them, they shot well, were corrosion resistant, cartridge basically the same as a 30/30 which was/is a long time favorite deer round in the South. Basically, a good ole boy could get an indestructible semi-auto hunting rifle for $100, with tons of cheap ammo before that stupid law. And yall stomped right into it. Every instance of someone noting to themselves that federal law now suggested that owning what they did the day before is worthy of a felony conviction and years in prison... has a lot of cultural, lasting impact; and that law hit millions right up side the head.

No, you gotta do a lot more than just drop it. Yall need to do something substantial to undo the harm that now follows as a default assumption concerning Democrats. For now, it just appears that they are avoiding the issue and waiting for a new opportunity to further restrict.

Of course, guns aren't the only social issue in play like this; parental authority is also something that is perceived by these folks as something that liberals absolutely want to destroy. You can go down the line of very finely teased issues, but they have a lot of impact because the federal intervention is very noticeable and quite annoying, to people who do not react well to being annoyed.


You're dead on about the gun issue, republicans would lose 20% of their support immediately if democrats would come out in strong support of the right to bear arms backed up by real action.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby PrestonSturges » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 15:19:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('prajeshbhat', 'T')he liberals have done a lot more for the common people than the republicans. It was Franklin D Roosevelt (Democrat) who pulled the US out of depression. It was the powerful labor movements that created the most prosperous society on earth.

WW II pulled world out of depression and liberals have built unsustainable Cornucopia which is now falling apart.

It's also worth remembering that Roosevelt had to push for financial aid to Britain and prepare for possible entry into ww2 while the GOP pursued appeasement and collaboration with the Nazis.

Brits were also considering to collaborate with Nazis for a while.
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Check out Chris Hitchens review of "The King's Speech," which he said was a scam start to finish. The royal family was the last group to come out against Hitler. The trade union people knew they were all dead meat under Hitler, they did not need to be persuaded. And Hitler had a whole chapter in Mein Kampf about wanting an alliance with Britain so they could team up against their old enemy France. Of course Hitler was a complete monarchist whose idol was Frederick The Great.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby Plantagenet » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 17:25:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', ' ')The trade union people knew they were all dead meat under Hitler, they did not need to be persuaded.


Actually, the communists and Nazis were allies at the start of WWII. Stalin and Hitler formed a political and military alliance in a secret treaty, and then jointly invaded Poland to start WWII. Stalin even instructed the overseas members of the communist international in the labor unions in western countries and elsewhere to stop criticizing Hitler.

A few communists and leftist left the party rather then follow the "party line" on the new alliance with Hitler, but most leftists went along until Hitler launched a sneak attack on his erstwhile communist allies in Russia, and the party line changed back to being anti-Hitler.

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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby Sixstrings » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 17:31:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he idea the Hitler was "socialist" is dangerously close to Nazi apology and tends to overlap with Holocauast denial.


Well I'm no Holocaust denier. What they did just in the Warsaw ghetto alone was a crime on humanity.

This is a grim topic, I have never read Mein Kampf nor would I want that book anywhere near me. I watch a lot of History channel though. Otherwise it's not a topic I'm interested in enough to read about. I ordered a documentary off Netflix about the Warsaw ghetto, only because the film had such high reviews. Was very sad to watch and a reminder how evil some Germans of that era were.

Let's not even get into a nazi discussion, it goes nowhere and I admit you know more about it than I do.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby PrestonSturges » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 17:50:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', ' ')The trade union people knew they were all dead meat under Hitler, they did not need to be persuaded.


Actually, the communists and Nazis were allies at the start of WWII. Stalin and Hitler formed a political and military alliance in a secret treaty, and then jointly invaded Poland to start WWII.


In Mein Kampf, Hitler promised "war" against trade unions because they were the political power base of his greatest enemies, the Social Democrats. In 1933, union leaders were purged and union assets seized. After that everything was directly under control of industry.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')irst they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.


As I have been saying, people that want to rewrite this seem to be concealing their own nazi inspired beliefs, like the Oslo terrorist. Or, like the "good Germans," they are capable of "not knowing" that they are willing participants in something evil. Even though they know there is something terribly wrong they are having fun spouting this stuff.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby PrestonSturges » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 18:00:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he idea the Hitler was "socialist" is dangerously close to Nazi apology and tends to overlap with Holocauast denial.


Well I'm no Holocaust denier. What they did just in the Warsaw ghetto alone was a crime on humanity.

This is a grim topic, I have never read Mein Kampf nor would I want that book anywhere near.
I would urge you to drop whatever you are doing and go right and buy a copy. Or you can read the whole text on line.

Actually there is nothing much shocking in Mein Kampf because even the most vile racist stuff is fairly generic programming in America. You should be afraid, very very afraid that this is so. You will find the content to be completely familiar. After a while, you will notice that conservative bobble heads are quoting it word for word.

It's not like I don't have conservative friends who are OK people, but I would guess that pretty much every one of them has a friend that has all sorts of insanely antisocial beliefs, and many of them are spouting Mein Kampf (without knowing it). And many of them are arming themselves because they think the gay mulatto stormtroopers have marked all the Christian homes, and they are preparing to flee blah blah blah.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 18:23:05

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What? Since when has a Republican actually cut spending? [/quote]

That's hilarious. Reagan actually tried to cut spending. Of course, he is equated with the anti-Christ by the likes of MSNBC at every turn for those efforts.

All they can do of course is point out the Reagan deficits. Of course, the little fact that the democrats reneged on their pledge to cut social programs had NOTHING to do with those deficits. :roll:

And that pattern of total dedication to the left at every turn for trying to grow social programs and damn the consequences has NOTHING to do with our budget issues, or the Tea Party pledge to cut spending now instead of trusting the dems to cut social spending "real soon now". :lol:

Both sides SAY they cut and both sides spend. Acting like YOUR side is different since it supports programs YOU like is as reasonable as believing in unicorns. Good luck with that -- it has worked SO WELL in the past. :razz:
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby Cog » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 18:48:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he idea the Hitler was "socialist" is dangerously close to Nazi apology and tends to overlap with Holocauast denial.

It's not like I don't have conservative friends who are OK people, but I would guess that pretty much every one of them has a friend that has all sorts of insanely antisocial beliefs, and many of them are spouting Mein Kampf (without knowing it). And many of them are arming themselves because they think the gay mulatto stormtroopers have marked all the Christian homes, and they are preparing to flee blah blah blah.


Do you make this up or genuinely believe it? Because I'm ready to laugh if you are inventing this stuff.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby PrestonSturges » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 18:56:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he idea the Hitler was "socialist" is dangerously close to Nazi apology and tends to overlap with Holocauast denial.

It's not like I don't have conservative friends who are OK people, but I would guess that pretty much every one of them has a friend that has all sorts of insanely antisocial beliefs, and many of them are spouting Mein Kampf (without knowing it). And many of them are arming themselves because they think the gay mulatto stormtroopers have marked all the Christian homes, and they are preparing to flee blah blah blah.


Do you make this up or genuinely believe it? Because I'm ready to laugh if you are inventing this stuff.


This is from this weeks SurvivalBlog, where JWR works real hard to keep out the racist crap but occasionally something weird slips in. These people are convinced they are victims, and that's the main prerequisite for going on a rampage. Like this guy, who right here says he expects to be ambushed and killed without warning for being a "religious conservative." Because the government apparently has hit lists. And since that can't just be liberals, it must be the New World Order or something. People like this can act sane for a couple minutes. Maybe they were OK until they got mixed up with a group of religious nuts.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') note on bug-out vs. bug-in: Defending your castle while standing in your front doorway with your shotgun in hand may remain an unfulfilled dream. The “knock at the door” will probably never come to pass. So don’t wait for it. If you are a known “threat” -- a member of an organized militia, a patriot, a gun collector, a political or religious conservative, then you are probably a target.

Many people will ignore anything about "self defense" and take that as a clear directive to strike first against that Montessori school or something.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby Cloud9 » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 18:58:37

Would that be the guy in Mad Max with the mohawk?
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Postby Keith_McClary » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 19:28:17

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