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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 18:33:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'C')uts promised over a 10 year period are pure fantasy....


Absolutely right.

If the Republicans take over the Senate in 2012, they will likely make even deeper cuts in future budgets than those being set up now as part of the debt ceiling debate.

Alternatively, if the Democrats take over the house again in 2012, then they will most likely repudiate even the small cuts in the current agreement.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby pup55 » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 19:09:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')hey will likely make even deeper cuts in future budgets


What? Since when has a Republican actually cut spending?

For the past generation these assholes have run on "getting the government off your back" and so-called budget cutting, but when they get in power, you get precisely the opposite. Bigger government, more government spending, and even more government intrusion into your personal life.

Let us not forget "read my lips, no new taxes"...

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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 19:15:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')hey will likely make even deeper cuts in future budgets


What? Since when has a Republican actually cut spending?

Tax cuts for the rich, stick the middle class with paying the bill.

Actually the whole idea of "cuts" is brilliant propaganda, because it's just a way of transferring the debt down the income ladder. Nothing gets "cut," it's just making sure the middle class picks up the bar tab for the millionaires party.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 19:17:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'S')ince when has a Republican actually cut spending?


The problem is systemic and is etched into the genetic code of current "federalism" -- The blame does not fall upon any particular party ...

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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 19:19:08

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What? Since when has a Republican actually cut spending?


What? Since when has a Democrat actually cut spending?

For the past generation these jerks have run on "ending earmarks" and the ever popular promise to "cut the waste" in budgets, but whenever the dopes in the democrat party get in power, you get precisely the opposite. Bigger government, more government spending, and even more government intrusion into your personal life.

Let us not forget Obama's promise in 2008 to balance the budget by "going through the budget line by line to cut out all all the waste and abuse"... HA! what a lying clown.

Heaven help us.

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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby gollum » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 19:33:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '
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What? Since when has a Republican actually cut spending?


What? Since when has a Democrat actually cut spending?

For the past generation these jerks have run on "ending earmarks" and the ever popular promise to "cut the waste" in budgets, but whenever the dopes in the democrat party get in power, you get precisely the opposite. Bigger government, more government spending, and even more government intrusion into your personal life.

Let us not forget Obama's promise in 2008 to balance the budget by "going through the budget line by line to cut out all all the waste and abuse"... HA! what a lying clown.

Heaven help us.

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I must have missed something, but didn't we get a whole new branch of government called "homeland security" under the republicans along with a medicare prescription drug program that wasn't paid for and two expensive dead end wars?
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby pup55 » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 20:13:37

Oh, to be sure the democrats are even worse, except there was an incidence in the 90's in which the budget was in balance, was it not?

So the credibility of either party on the issue of budget balancing is zero.

That is why I frankly don't understand the current uproar. It is clearly just posturing for the next election isn't it? Or, even worse, an attempt by the liberal wing and also the tea partiers to extort the system for extra benefits. Let's see, who was that guy from Nebraska that managed to extract money for his district in the last crisis? I can hardly wait to see what kind of BS is loaded into this one.

The sad part is, that the idiotic US electorate consistently puts up with it.

In the case of the democrats, it is at least intellectually honest: The voters are voting themselves benefits from the treasury. Vote for me and I will give you money. In the case of the Republicans, they manage to get 100 electoral votes every time by convincing the hillbillies in the US SE that they should vote against their own economic self-interest because of "values", i.e. religion, guns, abortion, while at the very same time, the majority of welfare recipients in the US are white. True.

It's schizophrenic. It's the result of 40 years of half assed education, lack of critical thinking, a multi billion dollar advertising campaign every four years that manages to convince people to forget the short-term past....
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 20:21:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daniel_Plainview', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'S')ince when has a Republican actually cut spending?


The problem is systemic and is etched into the genetic code of current "federalism" -- The blame does not fall upon any particular party ...

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Do you have any numbers to support the idea that the government has grown?
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby Cog » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 20:24:14

I don't if he does but I do


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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby pup55 » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 20:39:25

http://www.bea.gov/iTable/index_nipa.cfm

Please refer to the following interactive table.

There are a few incidences of government expenditures actually declining year on year, 1932 during the depression, 1946 when we were shutting down the war, 1954, and that was the last time. 56 years. WTF.

No one is really going to cut spending.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby Ferretlover » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 20:58:21

Breaking news: Preident Obama announces a debt deal. Nothing like waiting til the last minute! But, that's how American governments work. :x
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby Cog » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 21:00:18

It still has to pass the House. This deal does not contain a balanced budget amendment which is something a lot of House Republicans insisted upon before they passed the now dead Boehner bill.

There is also the issue of a debt downgrade by the rating agencies. No way does this bill satisfy their requirements for a real budget deficit plan.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby Lore » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 21:25:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')t still has to pass the House. This deal does not contain a balanced budget amendment which is something a lot of House Republicans insisted upon before they passed the now dead Boehner bill.

There is also the issue of a debt downgrade by the rating agencies. No way does this bill satisfy their requirements for a real budget deficit plan.


Agree, but was hopeing we could get back to our regular broadcast of a crappy economy heading for the brink of no return.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby Cog » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 21:48:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')t still has to pass the House. This deal does not contain a balanced budget amendment which is something a lot of House Republicans insisted upon before they passed the now dead Boehner bill.

There is also the issue of a debt downgrade by the rating agencies. No way does this bill satisfy their requirements for a real budget deficit plan.


Agree, but was hopeing we could get back to our regular broadcast of a crappy economy heading for the brink of no return.


:lol: :lol: Don't worry. We have plenty of crappy economy news coming up to keep the entertainment level high after this bill gets approved.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 22:07:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'A')gree, but was hopeing we could get back to our regular broadcast of a crappy economy heading for the brink of no return.

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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby prajeshbhat » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 22:31:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ypocrisy thy name is Libertarian
Posted on 22 September 2008 by Terry Chay
“Hours of interviews in Manassas Park turned up exactly one resident in favor of the bailout, a fellow in a Harvard T-shirt in a big house near the golf course. Richard Bejtlich, 36, who works in computer security for General Electric—its stock jumped dramatically Friday when the government banned short-selling of financial securities—says he’s a libertarian and normally wouldn’t support government intervention. But there’s no other way at this point, he says, because we’re in too deep of a hole and have been too profligate.” —“A Sense of Resentment Amid the ‘For Sale’ Signs”, Washington Post, September 22, 2008
Shorter Libertarian:

“I was for unfettered capitalism before I was against it.”
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 00:08:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I') don't if he does but I do
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The cartoon said "since the stimulis" and I was wondering if anyone had any numbers saying the government has grown. Sure the deficit has grown because revenues are down, but has the government grown?
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby gollum » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 00:11:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('prajeshbhat', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ypocrisy thy name is Libertarian
Posted on 22 September 2008 by Terry Chay
“Hours of interviews in Manassas Park turned up exactly one resident in favor of the bailout, a fellow in a Harvard T-shirt in a big house near the golf course. Richard Bejtlich, 36, who works in computer security for General Electric—its stock jumped dramatically Friday when the government banned short-selling of financial securities—says he’s a libertarian and normally wouldn’t support government intervention. But there’s no other way at this point, he says, because we’re in too deep of a hole and have been too profligate.” —“A Sense of Resentment Amid the ‘For Sale’ Signs”, Washington Post, September 22, 2008
Shorter Libertarian:

“I was for unfettered capitalism before I was against it.”



Gotta love those small government principals.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby prajeshbhat » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 00:31:03

I think the reason socialism exists is because it has always sowed the seeds of revolution against the exploitative elites. Ironically in USA, the revolution will come from people who call themselves capitalists. Don't feel sorry for the multi-millionaire NEO_LIBERAL Democrats. Far from their socialist roots, these people are overwhelmingly pro big-banks. They deserve whats coming to them soon.
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Re: Bold Predictions about the Debt Ceiling

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 02:43:27

My bold prediction comes second.

First goes to whoever said they will "kick the can down the road", stand up and take a bow.
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