[AgentR11]

And the unibomber got a bunch of his talking points from left wing media. Crazy and/or evil people always look in the common culture and use its conversation as justification for their actions.

This does not indict common people and their common politics. It indicts evil people doing evil deeds.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'A')nd the unibomber got a bunch of his talking points from left wing media. Crazy and/or evil people always look in the common culture and use its conversation as justification for their actions.

This does not indict common people and their common politics. It indicts evil people doing evil deeds.

[AgentR11]

I disagree, but I know that I can not convince you of that because of how you see the right. That's ok.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I') disagree, but I know that I can not convince you of that because of how you see the right. That's ok.

[Fishman]

Most of the left are what we would call the "good Russians." They wouldn't actually attack people in the street, but they'd still be eager collaborators of Stalin or Mao. Of course, part of their mythology is telling themselves that Mao and Stalin were not that bad, though those two killed more than Hitler, and that the whole thing is quite rational to them.

Preston, noted you didn't touch the muslim bomber with a pole. If the mad Norwegian's quotes of other writers inspired him, what would that make the Koran? The most terrorist inspiring book ever written? Any at least superficial evaluation and your argument collapses. Any strict data driven inquiry and you are as nutty as the Norwegian

[PrestonSturges]

Sorry Fish. I'm talking about the terrorist, you are merely parroting his viewpoints. I'm not sure how much of that is you being unable to stay on subject, or a complete lack of self-awareness on your part. You know, there was this guy that sounded like you, and he massacred a bunch of kids. It was in all the papers.

[Serial_Worrier]

Explain me why American right-wing pundits have to condemn a Norwegian terrorist.

[AgentR11]

Its a simple double standard, the right is supposed to own all terrorists who babble stuff they read from any right wing source, but the left is of course immune, because they are unbiased, therefore, not left, they represent all that is wholesome and good; no terrorist has ever used their ideological formulations to excuse their malevolent behavior.

Basically,
The right owns hitler.
The left is excluded or excused from owning stalin and mao.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I')ts a simple double standard, the right is supposed to own all terrorists who babble stuff they read from any right wing source, but the left is of course immune, because they are unbiased, therefore, not left, they represent all that is wholesome and good; no terrorist has ever used their ideological formulations to excuse their malevolent behavior.

Basically,
The right owns hitler.
The left is excluded or excused from owning stalin and mao.

[highlander]

Wow, this thread sounds like a clash of values.
Maybe the left is afraid of the right because at times past "true believers" did more than blog.
Maybe the right is afraid of the left because at times past "true believers" did more than blog.
Maybe this "evil terrorist" fired the first salvo from his side in a (real or perceived, you choose) culture war.
Here in our neck of the woods, genetic purity is of more import in fish than humans.

[AgentR11]

Well, kinda the problem, even if I were to go about memorizing Mao & Stalin, I wouldn't think anything of their quotes showing up anywhere; strong material is strong material, regardless of the nutbar that first (or recently) uttered it. So, I kinda fail at the premise, I don't really object to the right owning Hitler, and I don't need quotes from a self-aggrandizing puke speech to know that the left owns Stalin and Mao. Mao was all about ripping up powerful, wealthy interests, and devolving that power to his own people's party and then tolerating absolutely no dissent, no different than I see the modern left here trying to do. I do not think the left should be embarrassed to own Stalin and Mao. They need to just accept that evil people can justify and promote their actions through the dialog of any valid, peaceful political position. That is not an indictment of those on the left. The only thing that makes me suspicious of them, is their refusal to accept that Stalin and Mao were leftists.

[PrestonSturges]

Well the Marxists did sneak a lot of things past you, like weekends off and an end to child labor. Children of 8 no longer work 60 hour weeks in the mills or mines.

Stalin was not much of a Marxist, he was surely more of right winger than any part of Hitler was a leftist. He was your basic paranoid authoritarian dictator, who killed millions and drove the society into poverty so he could build endless weapons.

You can compare the Tea Party to Maoist rebel movements - they hate schools, they fantasize about return to an agrarian life, they aren't really sure about "money."

Also, the American right seems to be using Marxist dialectics - the Tea party candidates refuse to answer any questions and sprint away from friendly reporters (big criticism of Marxist dialectics), they try to convince the public of the hopeless corruption of all institutions so the public will support their destruction, every random act of destruction supposedly moves them inexorably towards some crackpot economic utopia. Except that today the right has taken the methods of Marxist dialectics and is using it to empower the ruling class, which was probably inevitable.

[Fishman]

Too easy

"Stalin was not much of a Marxist, he was surely more of right winger than any part of Hitler was a leftist. He was your basic paranoid authoritarian dictator. who killed millions and drove the society into poverty so he could build endless weapons. "
But he was a Marxist, just not much of one in your eyes, and Hitler was also a " basic paranoid authoritarian who killed millions and drove the society into poverty so he could build endless weapons"

You can more accurately compare the left to Maoist rebel movements - they hate industry, they fantasize about return to an agrarian life(organic movement) they aren't really sure about "money." ie endless deficit

Also, the American left routinely uses Marxist dialectics - Obama routinely refuses to answer any questions (recently had his press sec tell folks not to yell questions at the president) , they try to convince the public of the hopeless corruption of all established institutions (like churches) so the public will support their destruction, every random act of destruction supposedly moves them inexorably towards some crackpot economic utopia. Except that today the left has taken the person of Marxist dialectics (Obama) and has tried (but utterly failed) to empower the ruling class of expanding government, which was probably inevitable to fail, as all the money has run out

[PrestonSturges]

Obama supports the destruction of churches? You really are channeling Anders!

So when your terrorist cell meets, do you take lemon squares or Rice Krispy treats?

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'E')xplain me why American right-wing pundits have to condemn a Norwegian terrorist.