[PrestonSturges]

Gonna have to to see if the little scamps at StormFront are high-fiving each other.

Right wing anti-immigrant nationalist Christian islamophobe ? Like we don't have any of those in the US.

[eXpat]

Maybe this has something to do...
Pro Palestinian Rally at Norway Youth Camp the Day Before Massacre
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')onas Gahr Store: – The occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now
21. July 2011, at. 5:42 p.m

The Foreign Minister was met with claims that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state when he visited the Labour Youth League summer camp Thursday.
WANT BOYCOTT: Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store was met by demands that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state when he visited the Labour Youth League summer camp at Utøya Thursday. Here the Minister ushered around in the camp of the AUF leader Eskil Pedersen. (Reuters)

During the second day of Labour Youth League summer camp at Utøya got the Labour Party’s young hopefuls visit by Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

Together with the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation correspondent Sidsel Wold and Norwegian People’s Aid Kirsten Belck-Olsen, discussed the Foreign Minister of the deadlock between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

As foreign minister arrived Utøya he was met with a demand from the AUF that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state.

- The Palestinians must have their own state, the occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now, said the Foreign Minister to cheers from the audience.

[Serial_Worrier]

Lesson to be learned - engage in pro-Palestinian rallies at your own risk.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'M')aybe this has something to do...
Pro Palestinian Rally at Norway Youth Camp the Day Before Massacre

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'R')ight wing anti-immigrant nationalist Christian islamophobe ? Like we don't have any of those in the US.

[eXpat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'M')aybe this has something to do...
Pro Palestinian Rally at Norway Youth Camp the Day Before Massacre

[yeahbut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'I') bet it was those pesky right wing terrorists that our Homeland Security head keeps talking about... Could be those terrible Christians that pstarr is always railing about

[Pretorian]

I must admit this one kind of surprised me

[Mesuge]

That guy posted a lenghty manifest claiming his worldview changed firstly in 1999 when NATO (Norway is a member) bombed fellow christians in Serbia, who only defended against muslim invaders of Albania into their traditional province of Kosovo. Remember that both roman catholic Hungarians (ugrofins) and orthodox balkanians (slavs) put the most treasure and bodies to stop muslim invasion into Europe in the late medieval and following periods, when it was most urgent. The westerners usually only watched and have been of token help. Mind you the later wars of Balkan independence in 19th century were just follow-up to that, the Ottoman empire was not able to maintain the ground in continental Europe anymore. That's just to set up some context for these discussions.

Secondly, he mentions 2009 as a point he started hard prep for this very operation. In any case without further information provided it's pointless to speculate was he a part of larger plot, we don't know. Probably most of the island shooting carried exclusively on his own, so the Oslo attacks could have been a solo act as well.

This was relatively rudimental event, no suspension of air defenses for two hours and/or running exactly same terror drills in subway as in other countries, lol. If you compare the death toll per capita in concerned countries it's almost comparable.

Should there follow some radical change in course of the Norweigan politics, be it internal (freedoms) or external (increasingly anti zionist stance) we can start debate some larger picture and who might have been involved.

edit:

Hm, watched latest tv news bulletin and they showed parts of his ~1200 pages long manifest, apart from detailed politics there are also step by step "instructables" in various forms how to engage the enemy and diaries building up his particular arsenal, apparently functional as we know now.

So, the eventuality this being an int. level operation to prop up a working terror manual to global audience of billions to create some havoc has passed the test now..

I can't think of better strategy than to make people affraid of each other at close range, irespective of skin, ideology, .. Welcome to the world of "tomorrow" where gun ownerhsip rests only with the neofeudal class again.

Diclaimer for spooks and coppers out there:
I'm not looking to download or operate on the basis of this manual

[Cloud9]

The net result will be a loss civil liberties. The people who would never do this kind of thing will be more heavily regulated and scrutinized. And the people who would do these things will circumvent those regulations and thwart the scrutiny.

Nothing is gained but more is lost.

[Leutnant]

In some ways I'm actually more shocked now finding out that it wasn't al-qaeda or an affiliate organisation, but some right-wing native nutter. What really frightens me is that only one guy with no support was able to blow up half the capital and kill almost a hundred people. If it was some big terrorist organisation behind then atleast we would have a better chance of stopping them doing it again.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'I') must admit this one kind of surprised me

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leutnant', 'I')n some ways I'm actually more shocked now finding out that it wasn't al-qaeda or an affiliate organisation, but some right-wing native nutter. What really frightens me is that only one guy with no support was able to blow up half the capital and kill almost a hundred people. If it was some big terrorist organisation behind then atleast we would have a better chance of stopping them doing it again.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'G')onna have to to see if the little scamps at StormFront are high-fiving each other.

Right wing anti-immigrant nationalist Christian islamophobe ? Like we don't have any of those in the US.

[Serial_Worrier]

Will we see an upsurge in anti-Christian hate crimes?

[eXpat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leutnant', 'I')n some ways I'm actually more shocked now finding out that it wasn't al-qaeda or an affiliate organisation, but some right-wing native nutter. What really frightens me is that only one guy with no support was able to blow up half the capital and kill almost a hundred people. If it was some big terrorist organisation behind then atleast we would have a better chance of stopping them doing it again.

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'W')ill we see an upsurge in anti-Christian hate crimes?

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'M')aybe this has something to do...
Pro Palestinian Rally at Norway Youth Camp the Day Before Massacre

[Fiddlerdave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leutnant', 'I')n some ways I'm actually more shocked now finding out that it wasn't al-qaeda or an affiliate organisation, but some right-wing native nutter. What really frightens me is that only one guy with no support was able to blow up half the capital and kill almost a hundred people. If it was some big terrorist organisation behind then atleast we would have a better chance of stopping them doing it again.

[Cloud9]

A mindset is not an organization. Anybody who genuinely believes the Bible believes at some point the government will become the tool of the antichrist. I remember hot July revivals when preachers pointed to the signs and warned that the end times were near. It was the height of the cold war and nuclear Armageddon was very real. People would sit in the congregation and nod approvingly but none of them would have ever considered blowing up the local post office as the closest arm of the federal government. A general agreement is not a conspiracy. For the most part, Christians believe the end times are coming not that they are here.

A handful of old fat wannabes that make up what calls itself the militia sitting around in their surplus camouflage dreaming about defending against the zombie hoards is just a fantasy. It is not real. If you want to make it real, rev up the government and start kicking in doors. Convince the Christians in this country that they have been deemed enemies of the state and you are going to have a whole s**t pot full of problems.

I’m telling you leave it alone. Let this guy go down in history as an isolated kook. Don’t make him out to be the first martyr of the New Knights Templar.