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THE Al Gore Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Re: Al Gore: opposing debt ceiling = denying climate change

Postby Pops » Wed 27 Jul 2011, 12:41:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', 'T')he guy's got a slick deal going. Just like the Fed creating money out of thin air, Al Gore creates carbon credits out of thin air

I've heard that, got a link?
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Re: Al Gore: opposing debt ceiling = denying climate change

Postby peeker01 » Wed 27 Jul 2011, 12:51:02

See the beauty of a robust discussion! Turns out algore's carbon trading scheme failed last year. Anybody heard anything about it?
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Al Gore's Carbon Trading Scheme Fails

Postby peeker01 » Wed 27 Jul 2011, 12:54:14

This news just in. Al Gore is going to have to work for a living once again. Maybe a new movie?

http://bigjournalism.com/wthuston/2010/ ... es-it-all/

https://www.theice.com/ccx.jhtml CCX website, for the few of you who don't trust Andrew.
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Re: Al Gore: opposing debt ceiling = denying climate change

Postby ColossalContrarian » Wed 27 Jul 2011, 14:13:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')'ve heard that, got a link?

There's a lot of controversy in the carbon credit deal so you can find a lot of Right vs. Left articles that pretty much bash either side of the isle but this link is a good overview from 2008 -> Article
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')eneration Investment Management's U.S. branch is headed by a former Gore staffer and fund-raiser, Peter S. Knight, who once was the target of probes by the Federal Election Commission and the Department of Justice.
Hobbs points out Gore stands to make a lot of money from his promotion of the alleged "global warming" threat. A threat which is disputed by many mainstream scientists.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;In other words, he 'buys' his 'carbon offsets' from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself," Hobbs writes. "To be blunt, Gore doesn't buy 'carbon offsets' through Generation Investment Management ? he buys stocks."

According to their own documents, GIM intends to invest in, or buy companies poised to cash in on Global Warming concerns
Quite the "convenient" set up, wouldn't you agree? I think it is getting hot in here, but I don't believe it is global warming that is causing my blood to boil.
This just has "scam" written all over it from my vantage point. What do you think? Is this just a coincidence, Gore setting up this company of his in 2004, apparently having no knowledge that soon "global warming" would be the topic du jour? Or is this in fact direct evidence of a preconceived plan perpetrated on a global scale?
Read more: Digital

The key to these articles is that you need to weed through the whole AGW denial vs. Science vs. Propaganda vs. Political Affiliation. Because after weeding through all of that, the bottom line is that Al Gore makes a lot of money because of AGW.
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Re: THE Al Gore Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby peeker01 » Wed 27 Jul 2011, 14:56:04

Not anymore: Journalism
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Re: THE Al Gore Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby ColossalContrarian » Wed 27 Jul 2011, 15:43:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peeker01', 'N')ot anymore: Journalism


Yep, I read that from your link above. The comments section of the article is entertaining too!
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Re: THE Al Gore Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 27 Jul 2011, 15:47:35

In addition to Gore's idiotic claim that he created the internet, Gore is also infamous for his unbelievably stupid claim that social security and Medicare taxes are kept in an "iron-clad lock box where the politicians can't touch them"

Apparently Obama never heard that he couldn't touch social security, as Obama is now threatening to withhold people's social security checks if he doesn't get a tax increase on corporate jets.
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Re: THE Al Gore Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 27 Jul 2011, 18:38:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')n addition to Gore's idiotic claim that he created the internet, Gore is also infamous for his unbelievably stupid claim that social security and Medicare taxes are kept in an "iron-clad lock box where the politicians can't touch them"


To be fair, that's what he was proposing should be done, that Social Security be put in a legal "lockbox." He said it over and over, lockbox lockbox lockbox.

He was right on that, but all these pols are such weasels you really can't trust anything they say. It's ancient history now but I'd bet a couple donuts if you looked at his old lockbox plan it was probably BS. Obama talked about a lot of things too, then we elect him and he did the opposite.

The main reason I don't like Al Gore is that he made Ross Perot look crazy in that NAFTA debate on Larry King. He sat up there looking all smug and reasonable and condescending and made Perot look a fool. But Perot was right all along.

Al Gore should retire from public life, let him make another hundred million shaking down environmentalists.. he's done enough damage to our Republic and working / middle class Americans.

P.S. Above all, Al Gore is condescending. Science is objective, it is not politics. It's not right to shut down political debate and claim anyone who disagrees with you is a Science Denier. He gets away with that on climate change, but now he wants to drag that stuff into monetary policy too. What a crock, so anyone who doesn't agree with central bank policy is a "Science Denier."

(all hot air aside, an objective person can't deny this is like pols from the Right who say God is on their side. Just replace "cuz God says so" with "Science says so." It's fundamentalist, and spooky. Climate change is one thing, but this article is proof that Al Gore would just love to go unquestioned on all his opinions about everything because he's some man of Science who can never be wrong. A real scientist wouldn't throw around "Science Denier" labels like some kind of Grand Inquisition.. )
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Re: THE Al Gore Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby PrestonSturges » Wed 27 Jul 2011, 19:22:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')n addition to Gore's idiotic claim that he created the internet, Gore is also infamous for his unbelievably stupid claim that social security and Medicare taxes are kept in an "iron-clad lock box where the politicians can't touch them"


To be fair, that's what he was proposing should be done, that Social Security be put in a legal "lockbox." He said it over and over, lockbox lockbox lockbox.

He was right on that, but all these pols are such weasels you really can't trust anything they say. It's ancient history now but I'd bet a couple donuts if you looked at his old lockbox plan it was probably BS. Obama talked about a lot of things too, then we elect him and he did the opposite.

The main reason I don't like Al Gore is that he made Ross Perot look crazy in that NAFTA debate on Larry King. He sat up there looking all smug and reasonable and condescending and made Perot look a fool. But Perot was right all along.

Agree on the lockbox issue.

However a friend of mine attended a small event where Perot did the meet and greet. He said the moment Perot walked in the room, you knew he was nuts because Perot was one of those people who radiated crazy.
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Re: THE Al Gore Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby Sixstrings » Wed 27 Jul 2011, 19:50:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]The Fall and Rise of the Carbon Coalition

Kyoto galvanized a third way: the environmentalist as financier.

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It would be easy now for the Carbon Coalition to disband, with the bankers jettisoning the frustrations of dealing with government entities and moving on to renewable energy investments and the environmentalists focusing their energy on international forest-preservation schemes for the developing world, such as REDD. The European Union's carbon market -- the world's only truly large emissions exchange -- is now under tremendous stress, after millions in emissions allowances were stolen from a Czech registry.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-debord/the-fall-and-rise-of-the-carbon-coalition_b_910442.html


Ok, so we need cap and trade because people are selfish and won't stop polluting, and no country or city will ever consider the only real solution -- stop growth, and actually contract.

So Europe has its carbon trading market, but surprise surprise it doesn't work because -- people are selfish. There was a massive "carbon credit heist" from the Czech Republic. :roll:

Bottom line guys.. you can't solve a problem whose source is greed, with solutions based in greed. Old Al Gore wanted to be a hundred billionaire as the founder of a Chicago carbon credit exchange. But none of that high finance bubble blowing and fraud would have saved a single tree.

And if a market like this fails.. good lord what a mess it would be right? Too big to fail all over again, probably insured by AIG and the US taxpayer would have to bail out the whole ponzi scheme to the tune of billions and trillions. Thankfully Gore's carbon market folded sooner rather than later.. but still it must be a big accounting mess. If a trading market goes under, somebody is left on the hook for a lot of money / worthless carbon credits.

P.S. I hate this idea: "Kyoto galvanized a third way: the environmentalist as financier." If that's what environmentalists are now, financiers and banksters, sorry but I'd rather not give them my money. I'll donate instead to non profits that are doing something real like rescuing endangered animals. Or I'll give money to a group that buys rain forest land. But I don't trust Al Gore enough to give him money to save the planet.
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Re: THE Al Gore Thread pt 2 (merged)

Postby Plantagenet » Wed 27 Jul 2011, 20:25:22

1. If Al Gore really cared about putting social security funds in a lockbox he would've pushed the issue when he was Vice President for eight years. But Al Gore did nothing.

2. If Al Gore really cared about putting social security funds in a lockbox he would've known that the Supreme Court ruled in the 1950s that people have no right to their social security funds and that the government can reduce them or end them at any time for any group of people or even for everyone. But Al Gore never addressed this issue.

3. If Al Gore really cared about putting social security funds in a lockbox to protect them from politicians or about people getting the SS benefits they were promised then Al Gore would've spoken up when Obama threatened to not mail out social security checks after August 2nd. But Al Gore is silent now that social security, for the first time in 75 years, is actually being threatened.
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