[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'R')aising taxes is just an excuse to not cut spending. Give me the cuts first, you can have your taxes later. Lets try that and see if that doesn't work a hell of a lot better than the opposite. Or we can just print and borrow and see how long it takes for the national debt to detonate. Which seems to be the current plan in the Senate.

[Cog]

So are you maintaining that raising taxes will create jobs? What is the more likely outcome is it will maintain the illusion that we can continue to support the mooch class forever.

But of course we can't if you understand simple math.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')o are you maintaining that raising taxes will create jobs? What is the more likely outcome is it will maintain the illusion that we can continue to support the mooch class forever.

But of course we can't if you understand simple math.

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')o are you maintaining that raising taxes will create jobs? What is the more likely outcome is it will maintain the illusion that we can continue to support the mooch class forever.

But of course we can't if you understand simple math.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'G')ive me the cuts first, you can have your taxes later.

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'Y')ou not only have to say no, you have to say pay up.

[prajeshbhat]

In order to be civilized, people have to build artificial people have to build artificial life support systems. That's what modern civilization is, a giant artificial life support system. If you are willing to contribute to this system (without disturbing the status quo ) survival inside this system is very easy. That's why people are fighting tooth and nail to save it. The problem is that the system is DESIGNED to run on cheap oil. Peak oil means the system has saturated. It cannot carry any more load.
I don't believe there is a "mooch class". They are just following their instincts and going after the lowest hanging fruit. As for taxes, TAXES ARE THE PRICE YOU PAY FOR CIVILIZATION. The government needs that money just to keep the system going.
The real problem in USA is the two political ideologies. Now that the system is not growing, both parties believe that only they have the absolute solution. They are fighting each other to impose their own vision on the people. Both want the people to accept WORLD STANDARDS. On one hand there are the liberals who want you to accept European standard of healthcare, education and social services. And then there are the conservatives, who want you to accept chinese wages
The two ideologies are not compatible.

[Livewire713]

More and more im seeing large groups of young people roaming the streets during the day but especially at night. Unemployment is very high for young urban teens. Im not happy about the situation we're facing but you cut these people off and I can tell you they are not going to just sit around and starve. These kids are not watching American Idol and they don't give a f%ck about you or how hard you think your working. They will beat your @ss just for the fun of it. You end up in the wrong place at the wrong time or you give the wrong person a look they don't like and things could get ugly quick. You cut them off when they already have very little hope and you'll be dealing with a very dangerous group of people. All that dough in your pocket won't do you much good when you get clubed in the back of the head.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')ime for some austerity. We can't afford to extend the government teat to the mooch class anymore.

The Mooch class:

Government workers at all levels
Anyone collecting food stamps
Anyone collecting social security and/or medicare
Anyone I don't particular care for
Criminals
Anyone in the military
Military contractors

The way I see it, after we cut out the entitlements for the above people, we will have plenty of dough to keep in our own pockets.

[Quinny]

So what do you do with the unemployed who can't find work. Kill them?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')ime for some austerity. We can't afford to extend the government teat to the mooch class anymore.

The Mooch class:

Government workers at all levels
Anyone collecting food stamps
Anyone collecting social security and/or medicare
Anyone I don't particular care for
Criminals
Anyone in the military
Military contractors

The way I see it, after we cut out the entitlements for the above people, we will have plenty of dough to keep in our own pockets.

[Livewire713]

Quinny said - "So what do you do with the unemployed who can't find work. Kill them?"

Cog thinks he'll be able to walk the streets with a pocket full of dough while people are starving around him.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he world is not Finland.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', 'Q')uinny said - "So what do you do with the unemployed who can't find work. Kill them?"

Cog thinks he'll be able to walk the streets with a pocket full of dough while people are starving around him.

[Crusty]

In Australia, the Rich wouldn't dare say we need more Tax Cuts or Give me More Money. We tell them, "Pay your fair share you bunch of Bludgers" & "You've never done a hard days work in you life!!" & "If you don't like it, Go to the US!!"

Tall Poppies?..... We love chopping them down!!

[Crusty]

My dear old Dad (R.I.P) always used to say, "Never feel sorry for a Millionaire Son"

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'D')o you lack love?

[AgentR11]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', 'C')og thinks he'll be able to walk the streets with a pocket full of dough while people are starving around him.

[prajeshbhat]

Cog does make a point about government oppression. The example is government targeting raw milk producers and those independent farmers who don't want monsanto seeds. This is going to be a big concern in the future. Monsanto is dependent on the cheap oil industrial agro system for their profits. They are not going to let go. And they have lots of friends in the government.