[vision-master]

Both the Evolutionists and Bible thumping Creationists are incorrect about our origins, although the Creationists are closer to the truth....... lsol

Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race

[dsula]

where's the energy of the universe come from?

[SeaGypsy]

Either way there has to be a mechanism. Neither have a complete answer. Put the two together and it's still not complete. Nobody has yet discovered the mechanism behind DNA.

[vision-master]

But the male comes from the female.

[SeaGypsy]

and nobody has ever made a functioning gene.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ractically yes, but theoretically we both come from the gene. Or visa versa.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'a')nd nobody has ever made a functioning gene.

[SeaGypsy]

This is the greatest argument for some kind of Supreme Creator. For at least 40 years scientists have attempted to construct life.
It has never been done. The closest they can get is blending DNA from parts of other DNA, never actually creating it. Therefore it is a trueism to say, life comes from life. Thus at some point this planet must have at least been seeded, indeed the matrix for life must have preceeded the manifestation of this entire universe.
Otherwise, prove otherwise. Make a living, evolving life form from chemicals.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't agree. We attempted to fly, failed, and then we flew. But regardless. Even if we never create life, that does not excuse superstition in the face of science.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'T')his is the greatest argument for some kind of Supreme Creator. For at least 40 years scientists have attempted to construct life.
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Otherwise, prove otherwise. Make a living, evolving life form from chemicals.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '[')b]This is the greatest argument for some kind of Supreme Creator. For at least 40 years scientists have attempted to construct life.

[vision-master]

Strawman argument 6.

There's plenty of 'evidence' that you are wrong.

6, you can only see what you've been taught about Evolution/ Creationism and 'believe' (wish) it has to be Evolution bc it's 'hard science' (here again, that's nothing more than a belief system).

[SeaGypsy]

There is nothing new in this argument, so lets not get all puffed up and defensive now shall we?

The challenge is more clear to scientists than to religionists. Most of whom would barely have considered this ultimate question of science. Both of science and religion. spiritual or contemplative life.

The origin of life itself has only ever been proven to have come from life. Yet pure physics says this is impossible, because of the original form of the universe consisting only a handfull of elements. All this evolved since the big bang. That's the idea. But as arguable as some forms of evolution are, there is no science yet to establish the basis of quantum shift, from a chemical constant to living organism.

If this can be done in my lifetime I may renounce all religion and go with the pure sciences.
I think it is more likely to be snowing in the center of the earth, but they are more than welcome to try.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he origin of life itself has only ever been proven to have come from life. Yet pure physics says this is impossible, because of the original form of the universe consisting only a handfull of elements. All this evolved since the big bang. That's the idea. But as arguable as some forms of evolution are, there is no science yet to establish the basis of quantum shift, from a chemical constant to living organism.

[AdTheNad]

Arguing with creationists can be fun for a while, then it tends to just become really painful. No shred of proof will ever be enough for someone not employing logical thought, but instead relying on faith.

Religion doesn't even have to stop people believing in evolution though. Just let yourself believe that god set up the conditions that lead to evolution occurring and everyone is happy. Well, as long as you keep religion in religious studies and not in science lessons anyway.

Here is a comic strip that covers some of the arguments for evolution in quite simple terms. Just try and use your brain.
http://darryl-cunningham.blogspot.com/2 ... ution.html

As for the start point, I think that the chance life has evolved from a chemical constant, to a living organism, in the last 13 billion years, somewhere amongst the 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the universe is 100%. Maybe 99.9999999%. I don't know how anyone could reasonably extrapolate 40 years of scientists trying to create life and not getting there yet as proof it is impossible.

[vision-master]

AdTheNad, sorry you are mistaken.

NO - I'm not a Bible thumper NOR a believer in this wishful fantasy called evolution. Both are faith based beliefs.