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Re: Stephen Hawking: Abandon Earth—Or Face Extinction

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 23 Aug 2010, 23:19:37

I hear Bush bought over 100,000 acres in Paraguay.

Ever wonder what he knows?

http://www.trufax.org/general/bush_fami ... ay_up.html
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Re: Stephen Hawking: Abandon Earth—Or Face Extinction

Unread postby Aging gypsy » Tue 24 Aug 2010, 00:14:12

Yep, fresh water.
It`s going to be the new oil.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: Abandon Earth—Or Face Extinction

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 24 Aug 2010, 02:50:03

well I dont know, just a few years ago any yokel could buy himself land there for about $5-6 an acre. But yeah, there wont be shortage of water or electricity anytime soon.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: Abandon Earth—Or Face Extinction

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 24 Aug 2010, 08:02:16

The point is not the water or the price.

The point is, he appears to be thinking about it.

Maybe he just has enough money to buy this the way you or I would buy a silver dollar. Kinda interesting thing to have around. Maybe not.

It bears watching.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: Abandon Earth—Or Face Extinction

Unread postby Jenab » Tue 24 Aug 2010, 20:46:34

Special relativity tidbits.

v = tanh(at/c)

The speed of an object (as a fraction of the speed of light) under constant acceleration with respect to the frame in which it is initially at rest is equal to the hyperbolic tangent of the following: the magnitude of the acceleration, multiplied by the time under acceleration, divided by the speed of light.

t = (c/a) tanh⁻¹(v)

The amount of time needed to reach a speed (v) is equal to the speed of light divided by the constant acceleration (a), and multiplied by the arc-hyperbolic tangent of the speed as a fraction of the speed of light.

v[n,1] = tanh { Σ[i=2,n] tanh⁻¹( v[i,i−1] ) }

The accumulated velocity of n co-linear velocities (each expressed as a fraction of the speed of light) is equal to the hyperbolic tangent of the sum of the arc-hyperbolic tangents of each next velocity with respect to the previous accumulated velocity.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: Abandon Earth—Or Face Extinction

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 24 Aug 2010, 21:51:12

and the likelyhood of collision parallels exponential acceleration.
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Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven Is A Myth'

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 17 May 2011, 00:29:59

HuffPo

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ONDON -- Famed theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking finds no room for heaven in his vision of the cosmos.

In an interview published Monday in The Guardian newspaper, the 69-year-old says the human brain is a like a computer that will stop working when its components fail.

He says: "There is no heaven or afterlife for broken-down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."


Just thought ya'll'd like to know.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven Is A Myth'

Unread postby scas » Tue 17 May 2011, 00:56:01

He also says that global warming will raise the earths temperature to 250 degrees Celcius and the skies will rain sulfuric acid. But we all know glubba wubba is a hoax therefore heaven exists.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven Is A Myth'

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 17 May 2011, 01:05:10

American culture is a myth.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven Is A Myth'

Unread postby gollum » Tue 17 May 2011, 02:00:47

I'm no bible thumper, but what a dim and sad view of the universe.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven Is A Myth'

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 17 May 2011, 02:27:03

He's drunk to much of the coolaid if he believes that he knows whether there is a spiritual existence outside the physical. There simply are no rational tools available that can test the truth or falsity of such a hypothesis.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven Is A Myth'

Unread postby yeahbut » Tue 17 May 2011, 03:04:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'H')e's drunk to much of the coolaid if he believes that he knows whether there is a spiritual existence outside the physical. There simply are no rational tools available that can test the truth or falsity of such a hypothesis.


Indeed. There's only one way to find out what happens when you die, and by then you're in no position to tell anyone anything :o Hawking knows exactly as much about this subject as everyone else does, and he can sod off just as much as anyone else who tries to tell me they know what happens next.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven Is A Myth'

Unread postby Novus » Tue 17 May 2011, 03:16:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'T')here simply are no rational tools available that can test the truth or falsity of such a hypothesis.


Sure there are rational tools to verify the hypothesis.

Given it takes energy to run the brain.
The brain can also be described in terms of entropy.
The second law of thermodynamics states that in general the total entropy of any system will not decrease other than by increasing the entropy of some other system.
However the brain itself violates this law.
A vegetable brain from someone who is alive but brain dead uses the same amount of energy as conscious self aware brain
But the vegetable brain is in a state of higher entropy than the conscious brain
For this to be true there must be an overunity of energy present in the conscious brain that is not present in the vegetable brain
Conclusively the difference in entropy is evidence of the spirit
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Re: Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven Is A Myth'

Unread postby sparky » Tue 17 May 2011, 04:03:14

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soon enough , I'll be able to give you the answers

if you don't receive it , either there is no afterlife , there is no internet link
or I have other things to occupies me
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Re: Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven Is A Myth'

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 17 May 2011, 09:55:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'S')ure there are rational tools to verify the hypothesis.


If there are, your chain of tests doesn't even address the hypothesis. You are addressing the "consciousness" state of the brain. My hypothesis concerning spiritual life in no way requires any capability of the brain, including consciousness. And thats sorta the problem. We can certainly say that the brain stops functioning at death, and its function that we term consciousness ceases; however, that doesn't tell us anything about the suggested hypothesis concerning a spiritual life. It does however reveal the sort of axioms the tester chooses associate with the term "spiritual life".

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')iven it takes energy to run the brain.
The brain can also be described in terms of entropy.
The second law of thermodynamics states that in general the total entropy of any system will not decrease other than by increasing the entropy of some other system.
However the brain itself violates this law.
A vegetable brain from someone who is alive but brain dead uses the same amount of energy as conscious self aware brain
But the vegetable brain is in a state of higher entropy than the conscious brain
For this to be true there must be an overunity of energy present in the conscious brain that is not present in the vegetable brain
Conclusively the difference in entropy is evidence of the spirit


The brain is *not* a closed system. Basically the above chain fails because you have failed to show that systems outside the brain do not undergo a balancing change; and in point of fact, the brain and sugar metabolism being as inefficient as they are, it is most certainly true that the difference in entropy between vegetative and conscious state is easily accounted for in the basic chain of metabolism. 2nd law doesn't require the forms to be similar, you just have to account for the entropy in whichever bucket it finds itself.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven Is A Myth'

Unread postby scas » Tue 17 May 2011, 15:53:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m no bible thumper, but what a dim and sad view of the universe.


Have you read any of his books? I think not. Steven Hawkings views of the universe are far more spectacular and magnificent than any of the revelations by our lord Yahweh, Apollo, Jesus, and Allah.

I don't need a heaven that is described so similarly to earth, where our human needs are catered to for eternity so long as well follow the good cleric, obey the laws and pay tithe.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven Is A Myth'

Unread postby scas » Tue 17 May 2011, 16:12:36

My idea of heaven is jetting through space to distant galaxies, visiting distant planets that have evolved life. Stopping next to a nebula or binary star and just take in the view. Visiting the past, future, even other universes.

Instead, Allah tells me I get rivers of honey and milk. If I kill myself in his name, I may get 72 virgins or possibly some white raisins if he was speaking in Aramaic rather than Arabic. Boring.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven Is A Myth'

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 17 May 2011, 16:22:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('scas', 'M')y idea of heaven is jetting through space to distant galaxies, visiting distant planets that have evolved life. Stopping next to a nebula or binary star and just take in the view. Visiting the past, future, even other universes.


Just as proof that subjective judgements of beauty and magnificence are indeed subjective opinions... What you write sounds a whole lot like hard work to me, I'm gonna need a signing bonus and a fat contract before I'd voluntarily enter your heaven.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nstead, Allah tells me I get rivers of honey and milk. If I kill myself in his name, I may get 72 virgins or possibly some white raisins if he was speaking in Aramaic rather than Arabic. Boring.


Allah's version sounds like pretty harsh labor too.

Can't I just have my rocking chair, a small A/C unit, and some beer?
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Re: Stephen Hawking: 'Heaven Is A Myth'

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 17 May 2011, 16:23:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '[')url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/16/stephen-hawking-heaven-is-a-myth_n_862394.html]HuffPo[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ONDON -- Famed theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking finds no room for heaven in his vision of the cosmos.

In an interview published Monday in The Guardian newspaper, the 69-year-old says the human brain is a like a computer that will stop working when its components fail.

He says: "There is no heaven or afterlife for broken-down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."


Just thought ya'll'd like to know.


Yeah. Like if we didn't know.
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