by OilsNotWell » Fri 20 May 2005, 14:24:54
Even though this may not be connected to H5N1, or WSN/33 (Dr. Niman said it is H3
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')3N8 in Greyhounds in Northeast Cause for Concern
Recombinomics Commentary
May 14, 2005
>> ``We really don't know if this is a mutated virus from what everybody's used to,'' Giacoppo added. ``Nobody seems to know what's going on. It's a mystery disease.''
I'll post an interesting exchange here, because
even the doctors and vets are BAFFLED by FLU in DOGS...and 10,000 dog deaths..They CAN'T REMEMBER it ever being in dogs...and IT'S NOT EVEN in THE LITERATURE...they can scarcely believe it.
to wit. Here's an exchange in an infectious diseases alert network used by doctors...:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')NEXPLAINED DEATHS, CANINES - USA (MULTISTATE) (02)
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A ProMED-mail post
<http://www.promedmail.org/>
ProMED-mail is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases <http://www.isid.org>
Date: 18 May 2005
From: Ann Donoghue <ADonoghue@PRPharm.com>
Maybe I've just been out of private practice too long, and my texts and references are too old, but what "flu" virus do dogs get?
It seemed odd to me that there was no commentary from a ProMED moderator concerning the rather inflammatory and seemingly inaccurate news reports of the greyhound deaths in the 14 May 2005 posting.
For example, this statement:
"Dr. Lisa Zerbel, a veterinarian in Massachusetts who is treating some of the sick dogs, said she thinks the illnesses are caused by a new strain of the influenza virus that is more virulent than the common one known as "kennel cough." But other experts say it is too soon to pinpoint the cause."
Kennel cough is caused by the bacterium _Bordetella bronchiseptica_. I don't know of any "common influenza virus" that causes respiratory disease in dogs.
I couldn't find any references to this "outbreak" quoted in the 3rd article in the listing:
"As vets battle the epidemic, state officials are now scrambling to nail down exactly what is killing the dogs, and to prove whether it is linked to the flu-like killer that has affected an estimated 10 000 dogs nationwide.
These include a few hundred domestic dogs as well."
Again, I was surprised that there was no input from any of the moderators.
What flu-like killer? What 10 000 dogs?
I checked my old Merck Vet Manual and my old Ettinger Vet Internal Medicine. I couldn't find any reference to an influenza virus causing disease in dogs. There's paramyxovirus, adenovirus, herpes virus and parainfluenza. The referenced archived ProMED articles referred to possible equine influenza virus that may have jumped species in May 2004, but there was no follow-up report sent to ProMED, and the University of Florida website has no follow-up info past last year [2004].
I tried to find info on this on the CDC website, since they were quoted, but wasn't successful.
I went to the National Greyhound Association website and found this news
report: <http://www.networksplus.net/nga/ads/2005/may/17nga.htm>.
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Ann Donoghue, DVM, MS
Fort Collins, CO
<ADonoghue@PRPharm.com>
[Dr. Donoghue has correctly stated that I should have commented. It is easy to forget that the reader may not be as aware as the moderator, and after sorting through 21 articles and veterinary comments trying to find the truth, a comment was in order and totally slipped my mind. Thank you Dr.
Donoghue for the opportunity to offer some clarifications.
There is research out of Florida that links the respiratory illness in greyhounds to equine influenza. I think that it is because of the association with equine influenza, and the likelihood of this virus in dogs, that it has been called a flu virus.
Dr. Cyndi Crawford, from the University of Florida, has investigated the Florida events and perhaps others. She has indicated that one of her concerns are viruses that can cross the species barrier. Dr. Crawford has previously stated that the flu virus is probably the same one currently being seen in the Florida horse population and is similar to the strain that was diagnosed in Wisconsin horses last year [2004]. Dr. Crawford has not provided follow-up or reports to us, either.
It may be, as well, that these dogs may have an opportunistic virus as a secondary invader to "kennel cough," from whence has derived the colloquial name, "flu."
As to references regarding the 10 000 dogs that have died, I have no references. Almost every state that has greyhound racing has reported a high level of deaths at tracks. Whether the alleged 10 000 have died in a calendar year, or in some fiscal year, I am uncertain. Most reporting on this issue is raising levels of awareness and causing concern but has not reached federal levels of reporting. I could not verify the 10 000 per se, but tracks, veterinary clinics and many local VMA's are estimating quite high. And perhaps, on a cumulative basis across the nation, it may be close to that figure.
Your referenced site is perhaps an attempt to calm fears within the Greyhound racing industry. Also, it is an informational piece regarding "Kennel cough," and there is no date on the piece, so I have no idea whether this was written with regard to the current outbreak or before or after Dr. Crawford's news release.
Undoubtedly, there are more questions than answers regarding the respiratory disease affecting Greyhounds. I am not sure this commentary answers all the questions, and, may only create more. Perhaps if Dr. Cyndi Crawford or Dr. Brad Fenwick would respond to us, we may be able to provide additional, and more thorough, information. - Mod.TG]
[see also:
Unexplained deaths, canines - USA (multistate) 20050514.1323
2004
if you want..
At the bottom aslo are references to how H5N1 is infecting all sorts of mammals...dogs, cats, tigers, horses, etc. this may be a seminal event in the history of mammals...that's us...
Oh, and here's a blog commenting on the fact that a pandemic preparedness plan by the State of Pennsylvania is now a STATE SECRET!
How the $(%(%*% are all the thousands of health care providers supposed to know what to do? [Of course, we know the state answer will be: "YOU VILL DO VOT YOU ARE TOLD!"]
Thanks to a reader (hat tip, James) we became aware of the most bizarre biodefense nonsense yet. The Pennsylvania pandemic flu plan is a state secret (very annoying registration required):
Pennsylvania officials say their decision is necessary to keep terrorists from gathering sensitive information with which to harm the public.
But Pennsylvania officials say their pandemic plan includes sensitive details - such as phone numbers and vaccination storage sites - that could devastate response efforts if the information got into the wrong hands.
"We are walking on a knife's edge," said Adrian R. King Jr., director of the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency. "We want to act in good faith to give information. At the same time, we have an obligation for operational security."
Let's be clear about this. Mr. King and anyone else who had anything to do with this are idiots.