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Discussions related to the physiological and psychological effects of peak oil on our members and future generations.

Unread postby OilsNotWell » Wed 18 May 2005, 01:46:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') wonder if the use of the word "dead" to describe the chicken was meant to indicate the men ate chickens that had died in some way (disease) rather than chickens that were slaughtered


I think you may be right, as I recall reading in one of the reports on this case that that chicken had died from the virus, and for some reason the chicken was still eaten (perhaps they didn't know).

No info on how the chicken was prepared though...Maybe it was this:

Ga Xao Xa Ot
(Chicken in Lemon Grass and Chili)
Ingredients
3 lb chicken
1 large onion
Salt to taste
1 tbs ground chillies
1 tbs granulated sugar
1 cup water
4 garlic cloves
3 tbs vegetable oil
2 tbs minched lemon grass
4 tbs Nuoc Mam (Vietnamese fish sauce)
1 tbs caramel sauce

plus 700 trillion avian influenza H5N1 virus to taste! Yum!

Oh, stop yer moaning...we have to keep our sense of humor about this or we'll go loopy...:)

Actually I feel quite badly for the millions of Vietnamese subsistence farmers who have suffered mightily with these bird culls, and the enforced movement towards larger, highly regulated poultry operations....an important food source is increasingly off-limits...
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 18 May 2005, 02:04:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilsNotWell', 'A')ctually I feel quite badly for the millions of Vietnamese subsistence farmers who have suffered mightily with these bird culls, and the enforced movement towards larger, highly regulated poultry operations....an important food source is increasingly off-limits...


Congress in it's infinite wisdom will soon pass the Real Chicken ID Act. All chickens will be required to obtain an ID from the federal government which will have their retina scans encoded on an RFID chip. Any government agent will be able to force the chicken to produce it's ID without any sort of reasonable suspicion. If the chicken fails to comply it will be imprisoned indefinitely at a cost to the tax payers of $500,000 per chicken. Hundreds of millions of dollars will be spent to hire government agents to track the movements each individual chicken. This will be justified as protecting the father land from terrorists chickens spreading H5N1 dirty bombs throughout the father land. NBC will show footage of chickens with long beards and turbans speaking angrily in Arabic. :-D
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Wed 18 May 2005, 03:12:00

That's funny. But you won't laugh at this:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ird flu threat

AN IN-DEPTH study by the World Health Organisation has warned that the Asian bird flu virus could have altered to become much more transmissible between humans than previously believed, posing the increased threat of a pandemic.

WHO Says


and

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s Ottawa roils in partisan politics, bird flu vaccine project languishes

TORONTO (CP) - As Ottawa roils in partisan politics, an important project green-lighted in February's budget is languishing for lack of funding. A plan to produce trial batches of a vaccine against the avian flu strain that experts fear may be poised to trigger an influenza pandemic is virtually on hold, its funding frozen by the budget stalemate.

Dr. Robert Brunham, director of the British Columbia Center for Disease Control, could not have put it more succinctly.

"The virus is not paying attention to Canadian politics. The clock is ticking there," he said in an interview from Vancouver on Tuesday.

Ontario News


Just what I said....tick tick tick tick tick tick...
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Wed 18 May 2005, 03:16:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ird flu 'may pass to humans'

Published: 17 May 2005
By: Julian Rush

Scientists are warning that the virus which causes bird flu could soon be able to pass between humans.

New evidence seen by Channel 4 News points to an increased risk of a global flu outbreak because of the way the virus has started to mutate.

Scientists at the World Health Organisation monitoring avian flu in South East Asia say they are seeing what they call a "worrisome development".
H5N1 is proving to be a virus full of surprises. The original jump from wild ducks - where it doesn't cause illness - to domestic chickens where it kills - was a genetic leap akin to a jump from a cat to a horse. The leap from chickens to humans was even bigger.

The nastiest surprise would be what's called reassortment - if a completely new virus emerged after H5N1 got into someone already infected with conventional human flu.

One final surprise too. One recent sample from Vietnam proved to be, in part, resistant to the drug mainly used to treat victims of H5N1.

Chances are it's a one-off - the patient was being treated with the drug - but the WHO scientists warn that if further samples are found, it would have serious implications indeed.

Bird Flu Pass to Humans


All this is exactly what Dr. Niman has been talking about...
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Wed 18 May 2005, 03:23:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')andemic Unpreparedness - No 2005 H5N1 GenBank Sequences

Recombinomics Commentary
May 17, 2005

>> Many influenza experts have issued grave warnings of an imminent pandemic. The hope inherent in all planning for a pandemic is that if we are able to detect a pandemic early in its course, we may be able to undertake necessary preparations in both prevention and medical care. This will not be possible without comprehensive and reliable surveillance. <<
The recent Nature report on lack of H5N1 sharing pointed out the fact that the number of 2005 H5N1sequences at WHO is remarkably low. Although WHO attributed this to a poor yield in isolating virus, that explanation is just the tip of the scandalously poor surveillance by WHO and affected countries.

2005 H5N1 infections in Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, and Indonesia have all been acknowledged.WHO still believes the evolving H5N1 genetic changes are from random mutations instead of elegant evolution via recombination

If sharing isn't a problem, then why no sequences at GenBank?

Pandemic unpreparedness is becoming increasingly obvious.

Recombinomics


I'm slowly beginning to believe that if Dr. Niman is correct with regards to how viruses evolve, he may someday win or share the Nobel Prize for Medicine.
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Wed 18 May 2005, 03:27:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Threat of Bird Flu Pandemic Dominates World Health Assembly

GENEVA, Switzerland, May 17, 2005 (ENS) - Avian influenza is the most serious known health threat the world is facing, World Health Organization Director-General Lee Jong-wook told opening of the 58th World Health Assembly on Monday. Comparing the possibility to the Spanish flu pandemic in 1918, which killed between 20 and 50 million people, Lee said, "The timing cannot be predicted, but rapid international spread is certain once the pandemic virus appears. This is a grave danger for all people in all countries."

"By good fortune we have had time - and still have time - to prepare for the next global pandemic, because the conditions for it have appeared before the outbreak itself," said Lee. We must do everything in our power to maximize that preparedness. When this event occurs, our response has got to be immediate, comprehensive and effective."

World Health Assembly


Can the warning be any clearer?
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Unread postby gg3 » Wed 18 May 2005, 06:28:00

Thanks for posting this; and the occasional bit of humor also helps deal with the grimness.

As I said earlier, if it starts spreading among humans, avoid crowds entirely, and don't go out without your disposable face mask on (hmm, good idea to buy a couple boxes of those right now), and wash your hands frequently, etc. etc.

The item about dog flu is interesting. Not to sound conspiratorial or anything, but a slate-wiper for dogs would be demoralizing as hell in the US and Western world, and would be just the thing for Al Qaeda to try (they believe dogs are "unclean," but they know that in the West, dogs are family members) before they unleash something aimed at humans.

But in any case, the vector once again is *frivolous transportation,* in this case the shipping of racing-grayhounds all over the place.

I suppose we could say that one of the benefits of peak oil will be that frivolous transportation such as shipping racing-dogs for entertainment, and shipping foodstuffs all over the world for luxury, will be reduced.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 18 May 2005, 10:47:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
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NBC will show footage of chickens with long beards and turbans speaking angrily in Arabic. :-D
All right, this genetically modified food thingy has gone far enough! Bearded chicken is where I draw the line!
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Wed 18 May 2005, 22:28:11

Every news release is a step closer to the pandemic it seems...Jiminy Cricket!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')HO to warn on changing avian flu
By Pallab Ghosh
BBC News science correspondent

A new virus could spread quickly

The WHO is to announce new research showing that the pattern of avian flu in northern Vietnam is consistent with human-to-human infection. [Poster's Note: If you haven'been following closely this was the last great step before pandemic...Once this happens, the gloves are off!

BBC News has obtained an advance copy of the study, which urges governments to bolster public health measures.

The new methods will be needed to protect against a new influenza pandemic, the WHO paper says.

It is thought that at least 92 people have caught the avian influenza virus from handling poultry since late 2003.

But in a handful of cases, there is the suspicion that the virus has mutated and spread from person to person.

Infection clusters

Scientists fear this new infection could form the basis of a new world-wide flu pandemic.

In the first detailed assessment of this possibility, a WHO team says that the infection pattern in northern Vietnam may indicate that the infection is passing from one person to another.

Killer viruses
1918 Spanish flu killed 50m
1957 Asian flu killed about 1m
1968 Hong Kong flu killed 1m
2003 Sars killed 774
2004-5 Avian flu (H5N1) has killed 50 to date

When the infection spreads from poultry, it usually infects a small number of shoppers or meat handlers and is quickly eradicated.

Instead, in northern Vietnam, researchers say they have discovered a higher number of infection clusters, the period of infection is longer and the age range of those infected is much wider.

The scientists have also found that the virus in northern Vietnam is genetically more different to a bird virus than other strains.

However, the WHO stresses that the pattern of infection could also be explained by a more infectious form of bird to human infection.


BBC - W.H.O. Bird Flu Alert to World Governments


I, myself, ascertained probable human-to-human transmission about two months ago...and once I got over that initial shock, I promptly ignored it for six weeks, thinking it would go away. It didn't. :x


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Health chiefs warn they could be caught out by pandemic flu virus


GENEVA (AFP) - Health chiefs warned of major doubts about their ability to detect and tackle a more virulent and deadly strain of the influenza virus before it spreads globally causing millions of deaths.

The warnings came at a meeting to discuss preparations for a looming pandemic, organized on the sidelines of the World Health Organisation's annual assembly in Geneva.

[B]"We are working on pandemic preparedness on borrowed time," the WHO's top influenza official, Klaus Stohr, told the meeting, reiterating that conservative estimates indicated that up to 7.4 million people might die.

"The objective of pandemic preparedness can only be damage control. There will be death and destruction."National pandemic response plans are the key," he added.

Stohr admitted that countries were having trouble stockpiling huge amounts of costly antiviral drugs and there were still "huge gaps" in production capacity for eventual vaccines.

"The emphasis will have to be on non-pharmaceutical measures to stop spread," he said.[/B]


That last line means that if you are in the U.S., you should ask your government how they intend to distribute that experiemental vacinne if this should strike before final testing, approval, and production....

So...anyone here know anyone important in Washington or the FDA? :cry:
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Wed 18 May 2005, 23:30:19

More MSM news...


Bloomberg

And some of the latest from Dr. Niman:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')5N1 Destroys Basic Tenents of Influenza Genetics

Recombinomics Commentary
May 18, 2005

Recombinomics


One of his other posts suggests that H5N1 is literally recombining to find a more efficient means of transmission...

My impression is that it is finding a way to transmit. It if has to give up some lethality to do it, it will, but it wants to find a way..

Ever see the movie Jurassic Park? Where the mathematician Ian Malcolm warns of our folly?

Ian Malcolm: God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs...
Dr. Ellie Sattler: Dinosaurs eat man. Woman inherits the earth...

Upon realizing that the park is out of control]
Malcolm: Boy, do I hate being right all the time!


and these small little mp3 files:

alarmed-mp3

Dr. Ian Malcolm: The lack of humility before nature that's being displayed here, uh... staggers me.

LifeFindsaWay-mp3


Oh, here's something I didn't know:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ird flu likely to re-emerge in the coming months

THAILAND - Although Thailand has been successful in preventing new cases of bird flu from emerging, other Southeast Asian countries need to be extra vigilant in the coming hot and humid months ahead.

Health experts have issued warnings that another outbreak of the H5N1 virus is likely this July after examining the patterns established last year.

Peter Cordingley, spokesman for the WHO's Western Pacific regional office said the virus could well resurface in July because that is the flu season in this region, and the virus flourishes in the hot weather. In July last year, the second outbreak of the virus was followed by a lull of almost three months.

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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Thu 19 May 2005, 00:28:54

I'll post this in its entirety...one should read

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]WHO: flu pandemic threat may be growing

May 18, 2005 (CIDRAP News) – The H5N1 avian influenza virus is evolving and poses "a continuing and potentially growing pandemic threat," say experts who were convened recently by the World Health Organization (WHO) to study the pathogen.

Changing patterns of cases, particularly in northern Vietnam, may indicate the virus is becoming more infectious for humans, the WHO said in a report on an international meeting of experts held May 6 and 7 in Manila. In addition, genetic analysis indicates that H5N1 viruses are becoming more antigenically diverse.

The report cites several differences between epidemiologic features of human cases this year in northern Vietnam and those in southern Vietnam this year and overall last year:

Northern Vietnam has had eight case clusters this year, versus only two in the south.
Case clusters in northern Vietnam this year have lasted longer than did clusters last year.
The average age of infected people in northern Vietnam rose from 17 to about 31 years between 2004 and 2005, but it stayed about the same in southern Vietnam (15 to 18 years).
The case-fatality rate has dropped to 34% this year in the north but is 83% in the south.
In addition, the report says the recent discovery of three asymptomatic cases in Vietnam suggests that milder infections are occurring
.[poster's note: Clearly the virus changed as others, particularly Dr. Niman, have been saying. Asymptomatic means they weren't sick, althought they had the virus!] A few asymptomatic cases also were found in Japan and Thailand in the past year, and others were discovered in Hong Kong after the H5N1 outbreak in 1997.

The report says the longer duration of recent clusters may signal a growing number of ways in which people contract the virus, including exposure to sick birds, environmental infection, lengthy exposure to asymptomatic birds that are shedding virus, and person-to-person transmission.

The avian virus had already vaulted to the top of the pandemic threat list because it had developed the ability to sicken and kill humans. The virus's inability to cause efficient, ongoing human-to-human transmission is the last barrier to a pandemic. Now experts appear worried that the barrier is crumbling.

"Investigators were not able to prove that human-to-human transmission had occurred. However, they expressed concerns, which were shared by local clinicians, that the pattern of disease appeared to have changed in a manner consistent with this possibility," the assessment states.

At the same time, it says that in places where the disease in poultry has been controlled or eliminated, human cases have stopped. And thus far, the first case in most of the human clusters in Vietnam followed the person's exposure to infected poultry.

For now, "Prevention of H5N1 avian influenza in humans is best achieved by controlling infection in poultry [except the virus is now endmic to the entire SE asia region, China, Korea, China, Indonesia..in other animals...!]," the document states. "As already recommended by FAO and OIE [the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization and the World Organization for Animal Health], control strategies for this disease should consider vaccination of poultry, which has been used successfully before."

A team of WHO expert consultants studied Vietnam's outbreak at that country's request from Apr 15 through 25, the report says. That study showed H5N1 could be changing more in the northern region, which prompted a second expert consultation.

This second meeting was held May 6 and 7 at the WHO regional office in Manila. Representatives from Vietnam, Cambodia, and Thailand presented details about the epidemiologic, clinical, and virologic findings regarding H5N1 in people and poultry. Other data were included from the WHO Global Influenza Network and other countries.

The experts make a number of recommendations, including increasing efforts to improve risk assessment, to boost the ability of affected countries to address outbreaks, and to speed the pace of pandemic planning.

The 14 recommendations include the following:

WHO should convene its Pandemic Task Force to meet regularly, assess the data, and determine the risk for pandemic flu.
All nations should move as quickly as possible to complete "practical operational pandemic preparedness plans." WHO should explore "all possible mechanisms" to make H5N1 vaccine available to the Asian countries affected before a pandemic. It should bring together technical experts, countries, manufacturers and possible donors to find ways to boost global H5N1 vaccine production.
Coordination of animal and human surveillance and viral information must be improved from the ground level to the national and international level, and data must be exchanged quickly.
The WHO should complete a handbook on how to investigate possible H5N1 clusters.
The WHO should explore building a stockpile of antiviral drugs that could be used to respond to early signs of a potential pandemic.
Countries needing funding and agencies that may provide funding must coordinate their efforts to avoid redundancy and eliminate gaps
As the experts call for greater international effort to address the escalating threat, they also acknowledge the difficulties of preparing for a possible pandemic:

"Evolution of a pandemic strain of virus may be preceded by numerous small steps, none of which is sufficient to signal clearly that a pandemic is about to start. This poses a difficult public health dilemma. If public health authorities move too soon, then unnecessary and costly actions may be taken. However, if action is delayed until there is unmistakable evidence that the virus has become sufficiently transmissible among people to allow a pandemic to develop, then it most likely will be too late to implement effective . . . responses."

See also:

"WHO Inter-country Consultation: Influenza A/H5N1 in Humans in Asia, Manila, May 6th-7th, 2005"
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_in ... 0final.pdf

CIDRAP


Quite the paradox I have bolded, isn't it.

I'm also a little concerned that last month a 1000 samples taken from were sent to the CDC...there has been zero word on these results yet...


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hus, the 2005 isolates in northern Vietnam appear to be recombinants between the 2004 isolates in Vietnam and the 2003 / 2004 isolates in China / Japan. Earlier reports described antibody to the 2004 H5N1 isolates from Japan, although those poultry workers with antibodies had very low titers and had mild or no symptoms.

More detailed analysis requires public access to these sequences and thus far none of the sequences of 2005 H5N1 isolates are publicly available at GenBank, although sequence data has clearly been generated and analyzed

Dr. Niman

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he north has yet to report results from H5N1 outbreaks in Quang Binh, Haiphong, and Quang Ninh. Media reports indicated 1000 samples had been collected and some or all were being sent to the CDC in mid April, yet no results have been announced.

Dr. Niman
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Thu 19 May 2005, 15:38:46

It was practically impossible to miss all the news today from that WHO report.....I won't re-post all that info....I'll try to post what may be most useful...

By now, those reading this have had some bit of a headstart in the what is coming...

The first step in any preparation is psychological....once you get your head wrapped around a possibility, you are much better able to react to something when it comes...

And it will happen they say, just a matter of when...I've clipped the following from various reports (USA Today, Reuters, etc)...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Klaus Stohr, WHO's global influenza program coordinator, told a news briefing in Geneva: "We don't know whether the pandemic will occur next week or next year...We should continue very intensively with pandemic preparations."

"We believe a pandemic will happen but we don't know when," said Guenael Rodier, head of communicable diseases surveillance and response at WHO.

Experts fear that if the virus mutates to allow easy transmission among humans, it could create a global pandemic, killing millions of people.

The latest studies show it would take three months for a possible pandemic to spread around the world, said Dr. Klaus Stohr, WHO's influenza chief.
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Thu 19 May 2005, 16:36:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')8 May 2005 10:34 GMT Indonesia Probes A Possible H5N1 Avian Flu Human Case:WHO
Copyright © 2005, Dow Jones Newswires

JAKARTA (Dow Jones Newswires)--Indonesia's Ministry of Health has uncovered what may be the country's first human case of H5N1 avian influenza and is seeking to confirm the possible infection through additional blood tests at the University of Hong Kong, a Jakarta-based World Health Organization official said Wednesday.

The suspected case emerged from a series of blood samples linked to routine human medical surveillance during an avian flu outbreak in South Sulawesi province several weeks ago, Steven Bjorge, the WHO's technical officer for emerging diseases, told Dow Jones Newswires.

Health officials have apparently lost track of the person, Umar Fahmi Ahmadi, director-general of the ministry's Communicable Disease Control and Environmental Health Department, told reporters Wednesday. The officials are now trying to find the person. [Poster's Comment: That means he or she may be spreading it and be totally unaware]

Dow Jones Newswire


Now it might be in people in Indonesia...page back to that map I posted....and do you happen to know the population density of Indonesiaa by the way?

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Capital: Jakarta
Population: 217.1 million
Density: 113.1 people per sq km

Indonesia Profile


A blast from the near past:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]CDC: Bird Flu World's Top Threat

Dr. Julie Gerberding, the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said that Avian Flu currently poses the biggest threat to the world.
http://www.sciencenewsblog.com/cgi-bin/ ... log=222051


Read that above sentence again and again. Not the biggest disease threat, not the biggest economic threat, but the biggest threat period. Strong words to wake some up from their slumber.

Here's a list of additional web sites on bird flu some may find useful:

[URL=http://avianflu.typepad.com/]Avian Flu - What We Need to Know
Blog[/URL]

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/index.htm

http://w3.whosea.org/en/Section10/Section1027_6982.htm

http://birdfluprotection.com/current_news/index.php

http://www.birdflu.gov.sg/

http://www.avian-influenza.com/
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Thu 19 May 2005, 16:55:34

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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Fri 20 May 2005, 02:44:39

Vietnam reports another bird flu death, raising regional death toll to 53

Actually, that headline, and some of the information, is misleading...particularly the part thats that suggest there is no evidence of human to human transmission. As the above posts have clearly shown, and WHO now nearly admits is not the real story...

I am also reading disturbing reports (in the journal Nature, for one) of the UN's agricultural arm that handles bird flu samples has not cooperated with WHO's infectious disease team on getting them current samples for the last eight months... Thus, the one agency that was set up to warn of just this type of disaster (was formed after the 1918 flu pandemic by the way) has had one of its eyes poked out, so to speak...scandalous indeed.

An interesting graph that unfortunately may have to be updated...based on published WHO data for the latest wave of infections...

http://www.curevents.com/vb/showthread. ... ae&t=15312

And here's some other data on the waves of bird flu (by the way, the bird flu waves extend even earlier than this, so it's been some time in coming)..

Confirmed Human Cases of Avian Influenza A (H5N1) Reported to WHO
---------------------------------------------------
Date of Onset: 26-DEC-2003 to 10-MAR-2004

Country / Cases / Deaths
Viet Nam / 23 / 16
Thailand / 12 / 8
Cambodia / 0 / 0
Total / 35 / 24

Date of Onset: 19-JUL-2004 to 08-OCT-2004

Country / Cases / Deaths
Viet Nam / 4 / 4
Thailand / 5 / 4
Cambodia / 0 / 0
Total / 9 / 8

Date of Onset: 16-DEC-2004 to 13-MAY-2005

Viet Nam / 49 / 17
Thailand / 0 / 0
Cambodia / 4 / 4
Total / 53 / 21

Date of Onset: 26-DEC-2003 to 13-MAY-2005

Viet Nam / 76 / 37
Thailand / 17 / 12
Cambodia / 4 / 4
Total / 97 / 53

(The total number of cases includes deaths. WHO reports only
laboratory-confirmed cases

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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Fri 20 May 2005, 04:10:54

Here's a quote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')If somebody should need warnings that another pandemic is coming, we've had enough and we should continue very intensively with preparations for pandemic preparedness," the World Health Organisation's top influenza expert, Klaus Stohr.

Nations on Guard


Wow!

Why doesn't anyone say something like that about Peak Oil for crying out loud?

I'll try it myself and see how it'd sound:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')If somebody should need warnings that peak oil production is coming, we've had enough and we should continue very intensively with preparations for living with less oil," the peakoil.com poster OilsNotWell said today."

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Unread postby RIPSmithianEconomics » Fri 20 May 2005, 06:00:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Egon_1', 'H')mmm...

Asia is the fastest growing user of oil.
Asia is seeing new outbreaks of potentially nasty bugs.
Some of those bugs appear to be genetically engineered.

What would the U.S. do to protect it's national interests?

If I were a conspiracy theory fan, I would probably be going ape-shit about now...

:shock:


It's all a scheme by the Freemasons, in cahoots with the Jews, in cahoots with the Liberals, in cahoots with the Communists, in cahoots with the UN, in cahoots with the aliens, in cahoots with the EU.
There'll be war, there'll be peace
But one day all things shall cease
All the iron turned to rust
All the proud men turned to dust
So all things time will mend
So this song will end
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Unread postby PhilBiker » Fri 20 May 2005, 08:56:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's all a scheme by the Freemasons, in cahoots with the Jews, in cahoots with the Liberals, in cahoots with the Communists, in cahoots with the UN, in cahoots with the aliens, in cahoots with the EU.
"In Cahoots" is one of my favorite terms in the English Language. :)
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Unread postby gg3 » Fri 20 May 2005, 09:04:14

About Cahoots: is that in Arizona or New Mexico? Or is it some kind of warm fuzzy blanket...?:-)


Seriously, consider this:

Here we have the Senate locked up by Frist and his band of fanatics, while a huge public health emergency is about to descend on the world. Are they nuts?!

This is another example of the kinds of urgent priorities that are not getting dealt with because Senator Dr. Frist wants to add President to his list of titles in a couple of years.

I'm already bloody pissed that Bush's energy policy is not getting the attention it deserves because Frist et. al. have hijacked the Senate, but now this!

How many dead bodies because that egotist won't climb down from his high horse....?
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Unread postby OilsNotWell » Fri 20 May 2005, 14:24:54

Even though this may not be connected to H5N1, or WSN/33 (Dr. Niman said it is H3

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')3N8 in Greyhounds in Northeast Cause for Concern

Recombinomics Commentary
May 14, 2005

>> ``We really don't know if this is a mutated virus from what everybody's used to,'' Giacoppo added. ``Nobody seems to know what's going on. It's a mystery disease.''



I'll post an interesting exchange here, because even the doctors and vets are BAFFLED by FLU in DOGS...and 10,000 dog deaths..

They CAN'T REMEMBER it ever being in dogs...and IT'S NOT EVEN in THE LITERATURE...they can scarcely believe it.

to wit. Here's an exchange in an infectious diseases alert network used by doctors...:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')NEXPLAINED DEATHS, CANINES - USA (MULTISTATE) (02)
***********************************************
A ProMED-mail post
<http://www.promedmail.org/>
ProMED-mail is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases <http://www.isid.org>

Date: 18 May 2005
From: Ann Donoghue <ADonoghue@PRPharm.com>


Maybe I've just been out of private practice too long, and my texts and references are too old, but what "flu" virus do dogs get?

It seemed odd to me that there was no commentary from a ProMED moderator concerning the rather inflammatory and seemingly inaccurate news reports of the greyhound deaths in the 14 May 2005 posting.

For example, this statement:

"Dr. Lisa Zerbel, a veterinarian in Massachusetts who is treating some of the sick dogs, said she thinks the illnesses are caused by a new strain of the influenza virus that is more virulent than the common one known as "kennel cough." But other experts say it is too soon to pinpoint the cause."

Kennel cough is caused by the bacterium _Bordetella bronchiseptica_. I don't know of any "common influenza virus" that causes respiratory disease in dogs.

I couldn't find any references to this "outbreak" quoted in the 3rd article in the listing:

"As vets battle the epidemic, state officials are now scrambling to nail down exactly what is killing the dogs, and to prove whether it is linked to the flu-like killer that has affected an estimated 10 000 dogs nationwide.
These include a few hundred domestic dogs as well."

Again, I was surprised that there was no input from any of the moderators.
What flu-like killer? What 10 000 dogs?

I checked my old Merck Vet Manual and my old Ettinger Vet Internal Medicine. I couldn't find any reference to an influenza virus causing disease in dogs. There's paramyxovirus, adenovirus, herpes virus and parainfluenza. The referenced archived ProMED articles referred to possible equine influenza virus that may have jumped species in May 2004, but there was no follow-up report sent to ProMED, and the University of Florida website has no follow-up info past last year [2004].

I tried to find info on this on the CDC website, since they were quoted, but wasn't successful.

I went to the National Greyhound Association website and found this news
report: <http://www.networksplus.net/nga/ads/2005/may/17nga.htm>.

- --
Ann Donoghue, DVM, MS
Fort Collins, CO
<ADonoghue@PRPharm.com>

[Dr. Donoghue has correctly stated that I should have commented. It is easy to forget that the reader may not be as aware as the moderator, and after sorting through 21 articles and veterinary comments trying to find the truth, a comment was in order and totally slipped my mind. Thank you Dr.
Donoghue for the opportunity to offer some clarifications.

There is research out of Florida that links the respiratory illness in greyhounds to equine influenza. I think that it is because of the association with equine influenza, and the likelihood of this virus in dogs, that it has been called a flu virus.

Dr. Cyndi Crawford, from the University of Florida, has investigated the Florida events and perhaps others. She has indicated that one of her concerns are viruses that can cross the species barrier. Dr. Crawford has previously stated that the flu virus is probably the same one currently being seen in the Florida horse population and is similar to the strain that was diagnosed in Wisconsin horses last year [2004]. Dr. Crawford has not provided follow-up or reports to us, either.

It may be, as well, that these dogs may have an opportunistic virus as a secondary invader to "kennel cough," from whence has derived the colloquial name, "flu."

As to references regarding the 10 000 dogs that have died, I have no references. Almost every state that has greyhound racing has reported a high level of deaths at tracks. Whether the alleged 10 000 have died in a calendar year, or in some fiscal year, I am uncertain. Most reporting on this issue is raising levels of awareness and causing concern but has not reached federal levels of reporting. I could not verify the 10 000 per se, but tracks, veterinary clinics and many local VMA's are estimating quite high. And perhaps, on a cumulative basis across the nation, it may be close to that figure.

Your referenced site is perhaps an attempt to calm fears within the Greyhound racing industry. Also, it is an informational piece regarding "Kennel cough," and there is no date on the piece, so I have no idea whether this was written with regard to the current outbreak or before or after Dr. Crawford's news release.

Undoubtedly, there are more questions than answers regarding the respiratory disease affecting Greyhounds. I am not sure this commentary answers all the questions, and, may only create more. Perhaps if Dr. Cyndi Crawford or Dr. Brad Fenwick would respond to us, we may be able to provide additional, and more thorough, information. - Mod.TG]

[see also:
Unexplained deaths, canines - USA (multistate) 20050514.1323
2004


Also, read through this latest update from the CDC on bird flu
if you want..

CDC Update

At the bottom aslo are references to how H5N1 is infecting all sorts of mammals...dogs, cats, tigers, horses, etc. this may be a seminal event in the history of mammals...that's us...

Oh, and here's a blog commenting on the fact that a pandemic preparedness plan by the State of Pennsylvania is now a STATE SECRET!
How the $(%(%*% are all the thousands of health care providers supposed to know what to do? [Of course, we know the state answer will be: "YOU VILL DO VOT YOU ARE TOLD!"]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')riday, May 20, 2005
Warning: idiots loose in Pennsylvania

Thanks to a reader (hat tip, James) we became aware of the most bizarre biodefense nonsense yet. The Pennsylvania pandemic flu plan is a state secret (very annoying registration required):

Pennsylvania officials say their decision is necessary to keep terrorists from gathering sensitive information with which to harm the public.

[snip]

But Pennsylvania officials say their pandemic plan includes sensitive details - such as phone numbers and vaccination storage sites - that could devastate response efforts if the information got into the wrong hands.

"We are walking on a knife's edge," said Adrian R. King Jr., director of the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency. "We want to act in good faith to give information. At the same time, we have an obligation for operational security."
Let's be clear about this. Mr. King and anyone else who had anything to do with this are idiots.

http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/


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