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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 20:19:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat if the man (woman?) refuses to work on the county farm? Do they put him/her in a concrete box and starve him/her till he/she reconsider? Whips? Torture? What?


Run them out of town, I suppose!


Bollox! What would be the point to make an arrest then, they could have called it a "job opportunity"
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby dolanbaker » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 20:38:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dolanbaker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat if the man (woman?) refuses to work on the county farm? Do they put him/her in a concrete box and starve him/her till he/she reconsider? Whips? Torture? What?


Run them out of town, I suppose!


Bollox! What would be the point to make an arrest then, they could have called it a "job opportunity"

A non-working vagrant is of no value what-so ever, why bother giving him free board and lodgings down the local gaol. Just get rid, as in send him away.
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby Cloud9 » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 20:46:57

In times of scarcity and deprivation civility tends to take a back seat to necessity. In the days of the great depression the chain gang had two motivators: Up on a horse with a shotgun was the walking boss. If you decided to rabbit, he killed you. Down in the field with the men and his bull whip was the straw boss. If you were not diligent, that whip would find you. Between the two of them they usually got things done. If you were truly strong willed and refused to work there was the box. The box was a welded steel structure in the middle of the compound painted black. About a day in the Florida sun was about it took.

Today a bread and water diet might do it. The real question is do you want large numbers of vagrants wandering the town accosting people and stealing to survive?
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 21:33:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', ' ') The real question is do you want large numbers of vagrants wandering the town accosting people and stealing to survive?


I don't know, why do You ask Me? It's OB/GYN the one who should be asking this question to every slut with a racially challenged bastard in her tummy. Or anyone of his/hers customers really.
It is very interesting to know though. Anyway, when did this thing end? I am curious to know when slavery was abolished in USA.
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 23:18:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') don't think the latinos are going to be the problem. The people streaming out of the wrecked cities will be a far worse problem. Look at New Orleans. Who inhabits the place now? I heard that the latino population is far higher as a percentage of the population now. They are the meek that will inherit the earth. White people are going to be far too preoccupied with keeping their car culture going to be of much use growing food. We are going to need those latinos. We need them already. Here in Maine they do most of the pre-commercial thinning of the forests, plant most of the trees and pick most of the crops. Do you want to do that kind of work? I think not. We thinned 2 acres of our woodlot and it took us a couple of months. They do the same job in a day.

Saw a bunch of Latinos across the street doing landscaping and yard work last summer. It was about a hundred degrees and humid. I remember it well because I was double digging out the last 3 100-sqft garden beds. I worked for several hours with only a 3 minute break to get water. I could see a few of them looking in my direction and shaking their heads. I moved a massive amount of dirt & compost and dug out many rocks.

Not only Latinos can work hard.
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby kiwichick » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 23:53:43

vts; re put the first born to the sword

not as such but we do need to discourage people from having more than two kids

and preferably only having one child

the one child policy is the fundamental reason why China is now the most powerful country on the planet
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby kiwichick » Mon 28 Mar 2011, 23:59:01

pretorian; "racially challenged bastard"

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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby americandream » Tue 29 Mar 2011, 00:14:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kiwichick', 'v')ts; re put the first born to the sword

not as such but we do need to discourage people from having more than two kids

and preferably only having one child

the one child policy is the fundamental reason why China is now the most powerful country on the planet


Not really. The application of command style centrism to the pursuit of growth with the discpline inculcated under Mao is the reason. In essence we have a corporate fascist state in China, an investor's wet dream and the way they would like the rest of us to go. A sort of hard version of Japan's soft corporatism which incidentally the architects of free trade, Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Raegan raved over.

Now we have China whom they will try to emulate. The one child policy is the result of scientific Marxist thinking which holds that a woman is not a breeding animal, and is an incidental advantage which now is paying dividends in a world otherwise made in the image of the religious conservatives.
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby americandream » Tue 29 Mar 2011, 00:32:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', ' ') The real question is do you want large numbers of vagrants wandering the town accosting people and stealing to survive?


I don't know, why do You ask Me? It's OB/GYN the one who should be asking this question to every slut with a racially challenged bastard in her tummy. Or anyone of his/hers customers really.
It is very interesting to know though. Anyway, when did this thing end? I am curious to know when slavery was abolished in USA.


You subscribe to the one drop of blood theory? In apartheid South Africa, a white appearance was no guarantee of the white racial ticket if you were found to have just one drop of non-white. You of course had the absurd situation where non-white areas were in fact rather mixed and the country was a sort of curious mix of the parochial and diverse.

I hate to imagine what the place would have looked like had they taken the tests to genetics testing. Charlene Therone is apparently from the same tribe as Mandela in her African genetics. :lol:
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 29 Mar 2011, 04:54:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kiwichick', 'v')ts; re put the first born to the sword

not as such but we do need to discourage people from having more than two kids

and preferably only having one child

the one child policy is the fundamental reason why China is now the most powerful country on the planet

Getting that message across to poor illiterate Muslim men will take some doing. The Muslim women they consider their property have no say in the matter.
I don't know as the one child policy by itself has created any strength for China but it has eased their population problem which would have overwhelmed them by now if they hadn't taken those harsh steps.
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 29 Mar 2011, 06:12:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kiwichick', 'v')ts; re put the first born to the sword

not as such but we do need to discourage people from having more than two kids

and preferably only having one child

the one child policy is the fundamental reason why China is now the most powerful country on the planet

Getting that message across to poor illiterate Muslim men will take some doing. The Muslim women they consider their property have no say in the matter.
I don't know as the one child policy by itself has created any strength for China but it has eased their population problem which would have overwhelmed them by now if they hadn't taken those harsh steps.

Muslim men? How about Muslim women? Seems that millions are brainwashed into thinking it is their religious obligation to be servants to men.
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby kiwichick » Tue 29 Mar 2011, 06:56:58

vts

exactly

china still has huge problems but the one child policy is at least giving them some breathing space

however , like the US , they are very overpopulated

the sustainable population for China is 611 million, while their population in 2006 was 1.328 billion


http://www.optimumpopulation.org/overpo ... nindex.pdf
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby Cloud9 » Tue 29 Mar 2011, 07:35:22

The last slave trader we put in prison in my county was Juan Ramos. He was a citrus contractor and was convicted in 2002.
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 29 Mar 2011, 09:30:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'M')uslim men? How about Muslim women? Seems that millions are brainwashed into thinking it is their religious obligation to be servants to men.

Did you miss this part?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')uslim women they consider their property have no say in the matter.

Or do you truly not have any real understanding of the conditions that Arab Muslim women live under? It is considerably more then just not being allowed to drive.
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 29 Mar 2011, 09:51:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kiwichick', 'v')ts

exactly

china still has huge problems but the one child policy is at least giving them some breathing space

however , like the US , they are very overpopulated

the sustainable population for China is 611 million, while their population in 2006 was 1.328 billion


http://www.optimumpopulation.org/overpo ... nindex.pdf

Interesting chart. They must have assumed some level of fossil fuel inputs when setting the biological capacity of each country. You could probably rework it with different amounts of fossil fuel available and or reductions in arable land with climate change etc. and get even more gloomy results.
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:43:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', ' ')The one child policy is the result of scientific Marxist thinking which holds that a woman is not a breeding animal,



Image

do you know what this is? It is a Soviet Order that was given to any vagina that gave a way to 10 or more slaves to their party leaders.

""Mother Heroine (Russian: Мать-героиня) was an honorary title in the Soviet Union awarded from 8 July 1944 to all mothers bearing and raising 10 or more children. The title was accompanied by the bestowal of the Mother Heroine Order and a certificate conferred by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. It was awarded upon the first birthday of the last child, provided that nine other children (natural or adopted) remained alive. Children who had perished under heroic, military or other respectful circumstances, including occupational diseases, were also counted. The award was created simultaneously with the Order of Maternal Glory (Russian: Орден "Материнская слава") and the Maternity Medal (Russian: Медаль материнства), intended for women with five to nine children.

Mother Heroines were entitled to wear a badge, which was a gold star with silver straight rays between the arms; it was suspended on a metal, red-enameled "ribbon" bearing the words "Мать-героиня". They were also entitled to a number of privileges in terms of retirement pension, the payment of public utility charges, and the supply of food and other goods.

Around 430,000 women were awarded this title during its existence. The only man to be awarded the title was Veniamin Petrovich Makarov (Russian: Вениамин Петрович Макаров) from Orenburg, who raised 12 adopted boys.""
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby Pretorian » Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:45:29

Correction-- 9 or more slaves had to be alive by the time of birth of the 10th.
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby rangerone314 » Tue 29 Mar 2011, 20:05:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'M')uslim men? How about Muslim women? Seems that millions are brainwashed into thinking it is their religious obligation to be servants to men.

Did you miss this part?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')uslim women they consider their property have no say in the matter.

Or do you truly not have any real understanding of the conditions that Arab Muslim women live under? It is considerably more then just not being allowed to drive.

Even if you tried to "liberate" them, would the majority even support the idea? Religious version of the Stockholm Syndrome.
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby americandream » Tue 29 Mar 2011, 20:46:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'C')orrection-- 9 or more slaves had to be alive by the time of birth of the 10th.


The Soviets followed policies appropriate for the circumstances but the overwhelming direction was in the destruction of the family, the liberation of women from the servitude of marriage and of course, family size appropriate for the nurturing of the collective (read up Marx's views on the role of the family and women therein). Of course, much of what was done in this direction attracted outrage in the decadent West where the family is central in the propagation of the sorsts of ideas that you nurse: on wealth, greed, race, selfishness and the very things that act in a cause and effect manner to decrease the value of your life's experience (for exampe, the importation of slaves and the subsequent cultural flowering in America has given rise to a disconnect in you that now sees you in various states of agiutation and general malaise, lashing out like a petulant child at the inevitable. I have attached a link for your eddification.

Marxist views on family and gender are quite specific however but not of course, subject to being anally observed like some latter day Christian literalist, where for example, the region's needs are paramount as was the case in much of the USSR during the turbulent years of the establishment of the Soviet and WWII.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_in_the_Soviet_Union
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Re: The next leg down: Massive emmigration

Unread postby americandream » Tue 29 Mar 2011, 20:52:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kiwichick', 'v')ts; re put the first born to the sword

not as such but we do need to discourage people from having more than two kids

and preferably only having one child

the one child policy is the fundamental reason why China is now the most powerful country on the planet

Getting that message across to poor illiterate Muslim men will take some doing. The Muslim women they consider their property have no say in the matter.
I don't know as the one child policy by itself has created any strength for China but it has eased their population problem which would have overwhelmed them by now if they hadn't taken those harsh steps.

Muslim men? How about Muslim women? Seems that millions are brainwashed into thinking it is their religious obligation to be servants to men.


Wahhabism has proven very useful in propagating ideas that overwhelmed the force for progressive change (socialist) in the Muslim countries, funded in large part by the West and Saudi Arabia. Of course, we live to enjoy the consequences at our leisure. :)
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