[Fishman]

Mos
Picking two rich conservatives is no argument, has Michael Moore, John Kerry, or even Barack Obama been noted for their back breaking work? I articulated responses about your post, please, in a manner fitting Domus's request, respond.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'L')et us all take a moment and reflect on what we are saying and how we're saying it.

And then tone it down.

I'll shut down this entire thread if these personal attacks continue.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TITAN', '
')says the person with 'artist' as their occupation...

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'A')mDr, you debate the past, I didn't deny any of your issues with the past, though they are debatable. I agree with you accessment of the back breaking labor, and DISCIPLINE, an anathema to the left. See Mos's original post. It deals with the present situation of right wingers posting here. You run off to complain about capitalism. Stay on topic.

[Fishman]

What outrage at manual labor? I cherish it. In NONE of my posts here have I lamented manual labor. For clarity, I mentioned Discipline as an anathama to the left, not labor. Seems there is an apologist on your part as one with a fixed delusion. Right wingers does not equal caviar swilling, being conservative does not equal rich. You argue class, I do not. And the QE will quicker destroy ALL of us. The right is the one fighting it, Obama is the one pushing it.

Very poor form knocking on the Japanese at present. Very poor form.

[Quinny]

Where do you get the idea that discipline is anthema to the left?

In my experience left leaning parties have always demonstrated stronger discipline than centre and right parties. The CP has lost many important free thinkers on the left because of what they perceived as excessive discipline and when you read anything of the life and works of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky or Stalin, strong discipline is a key element of a communist society.

The right is the one fighting QE!! - are you having a giraffe?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'W')hat outrage at manual labor? I cherish it. In NONE of my posts here have I lamented manual labor. For clarity, I mentioned Discipline as an anathama to the left, not labor. Seems there is an apologist on your part as one with a fixed delusion. Right wingers does not equal caviar swilling, being conservative does not equal rich. You argue class, I do not. And the QE will quicker destroy ALL of us. The right is the one fighting it, Obama is the one pushing it.

Very poor form knocking on the Japanese at present. Very poor form.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'W')hat outrage at manual labor? I cherish it. In NONE of my posts here have I lamented manual labor. For clarity, I mentioned Discipline as an anathama to the left, not labor. Seems there is an apologist on your part as one with a fixed delusion. Right wingers does not equal caviar swilling, being conservative does not equal rich. You argue class, I do not. And the QE will quicker destroy ALL of us. The right is the one fighting it, Obama is the one pushing it.

Very poor form knocking on the Japanese at present. Very poor form.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'I')t's in your nature to freeload.

[Fishman]

Well Ludi, at least you have coherent thought processes unlike AmDream. AmDr, PLEASE give an example of socialism working. Even Europe is abandoning socialism.
Yes Ludi, there is at least some virtue to hard work. I see you bragging appropriately about all the hard work you have placed in your garden at other posts. Your own post. You worked hard on your garden because hard work IS rewarded, most of the time. You worked hard because YOU don't trust the government to provide all your needs. Regardless of any view of my own toward government entitlement, WE ARE OUT OF MONEY. And as such, reliance on self, AS YOU EXIBIT elsewhere, will have to become the norm. So by your own actions, you confirm my argument and negate your own

[AdTheNad]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'P')LEASE give an example of socialism working.

[pedalling_faster]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdTheNad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'P')LEASE give an example of socialism working.

[AdTheNad]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', 'b')ad example though. there is a demonstrated correlation between vaccinations & autism.

[vision-master]

For all you J6P's that support the Rethug party....... Yer gonna get what you asked for. Next the Rethugs will gut SS and medicare programs.

I hope you have some wonderful caring kids that will take care of you in old age.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ills call for a freeze on public pensions
Two House bills, H.F.542 and H.F.594, would effectively freeze public pensions in Minnesota as of July 1.

Introduced Thursday, February 17, the two measures by Rep. Mark Buesgens, Jordan, call for closing all public retirement plans to new employees after June 30, and freezing existing benefits for all current public employees as of that date. No additional service credits could be earned by participants, nor would additional member contributions be allowed. Members not yet vested in the retirement plans would only be eligible for a refund of past contributions plus interest. Contributions would also cease for participants in Minnesota's public defined contribution plans like PERA’s DCP.

The measure would allow the continuation of employer contributions to defined benefit plans like PERA, the Minnesota State Retirement System and the Teachers Retirement Association until they reach full funding.

In a recent interview, Buesgens said he does not expect the bills to pass, but hopes they will spark discussion. There are no companion measures in the Senate. Gov. Mark Dayton has indicated he would not sign the bills in the unlikely event they reach his desk.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdTheNad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'P')LEASE give an example of socialism working.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denier', '
')The Democratic Party has opposed ANWR exploration, coal-to-liquids technology, oil shale exploration, outer continental shelf (OCS) exploration and increasing refinery capacity

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'Y')ou know, there should be something in the COC that if anyone who joins Peakoil.com with a handle that makes it clear they are going to do nothing but push denialism and BAU 24/7, that they should be insta-banned.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denier', '
')The Democratic Party has opposed ANWR exploration, coal-to-liquids technology, oil shale exploration, outer continental shelf (OCS) exploration and increasing refinery capacity

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '
')Or even better, let's have an open forum where everybody gets to have their say and we argue ideas not personalities.

[vision-master]

So yer a quivering christian, eh.

[Fishman]

Socialism
"Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved. "

None of the above examples in this thread even come close to the definition of socialism.
SOCIALISM will not prevent peak oil, it is not sustainable (nor other systems probably), it will not cause Gia to sigh, the planet to cool, or the waters to part. Sorry American Dream.

Vaccinations/autism have absolutely nothing to do with this thread. If we are going to deviate that far from Mos's initial post, can we discuss also how much garlic one plans to plant this year?
PS correlation does not equal causation