[Timo]

There is a very concerted effort going across the U.S. to consolidate and protect Republican power. Voter fraud instantly became a problem, although there never was any evidence of such a problem (other than Ann Coultre). Now, this basic American right is harder to do because Republicans have increased the requirements to be able to use that right. Also, suddenly, without any warning at all, labor unions have become a budetary problem and are ruining America. The evidence? None. There was no problem until Republicans invented it as an issue. Republicans have also raised the possibility of requiring the ownership of property in exchange for the right to vote. The dollar has been equated with free speech, and it can be dumped into the coffers of the Republicans in unlimited quantities to rig the voting so that they win. There has even been evidence discovered of electronic voting problems, all of which benefit Republicans. There are many more things going on than i've listed here, but it is a very orchestrated campaign to reduce American rights in favor of Republicans, aka big oil, pharma, banks, etc...... Democracy as our founding fathers intended is dead. America as it was intended to be is dead. Power corrupts, and it has corrupted the Republican, and to a lesser degree the Democtratic brains beyond the concept of our Bill of Rights, and the fundamental purpose of our Constitution. Those with the power are sure to be happy about this. Those without power will be left to complain in silence and long for the better days when democracy still existed.

[vision-master]

Man on Camel = Rethug.

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'O')nce 'collective bargining' is deemed illegal, pensions will be gutted as what's happened in the private sector, next SS will be axed, life expectancy for the average American will be in the early 50's. There will be nothing for the older crippled up discarded worker. All those middle class republican voters will get what they asked for. We are screwed.

[vision-master]

They need to start targeting wally world.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'O')nce 'collective bargining' is deemed illegal, pensions will be gutted as what's happened in the private sector, next SS will be axed, life expectancy for the average American will be in the early 50's. There will be nothing for the older crippled up discarded worker. All those middle class republican voters will get what they asked for. We are screwed.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '.').. I think the Kochs' fantasies of a new wingnut "thousand year Reich" ....

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')here may come a point where people figure out that it really would not be that hard to go "Oceans 11" on a gated community. When the two guys in the Wackenhut golf cart get t-boned by a stolen F-250, the balance of power would change rather quickly. This goes back to my earlier point about how I think the Kochs' fantasies of a new wingnut "thousand year Reich" is going to be seriously light on manpower.

[vision-master]

From personal experience, I can tell all you weasel management sucks, I single handedly organised a group of Governemnt workers some 15 years ago. Let me tell ya, you gotta have balls of steel in order to do something like this, also most of the sheeple ppl didn't really give a crap anyways because, it's the old 'as long as it don't affect me' syndrome. I call these types 'rat's' as they will turn on you in a heartbeat in order to save their own arses.

Exactly what management likes....... control the sheeple ppl by fear and intimidation tactics.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'O')nce 'collective bargining' is deemed illegal, pensions will be gutted as what's happened in the private sector, next SS will be axed, life expectancy for the average American will be in the early 50's. There will be nothing for the older crippled up discarded worker. All those middle class republican voters will get what they asked for. We are screwed.

[PrestonSturges]

This is a brief but gripping account of how the protesters took a key army base - they had an unlimited supply of people willing to match rocks against trained soldiers shooting from fortified positions. They used rocks, bulldozers where the drivers kept getting shot out of the drivers seat and getting replaced by fresh drivers, cans of gunpowder, and spear guns (!).

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... =printable

All your guns are of limited value when ten people are willing to be a human shields/bullet sponges so the guy behind them can kill you with a rock. That doesn't happen when there's looting, that doesn't happen in a famine. But if people are deprived of the ability to hold any job because of their political beliefs and forced to live in fear, they are willing to take on tanks with their bare hands, and they can win.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'W')ell, my apologies then. Still, while we at it , it'd be interesting to know your opinion about it.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'W')ell, my apologies then. Still, while we at it , it'd be interesting to know your opinion about it.

[bluekachina]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'y')ou need to be aware of the history. Hundreds died and thousands were injured over the decades it took to achieve the right to organize and collective bargain, which is the only thing between workers making a living wage in a safe work environment, and a return to the misery that existed at the beginning of the 20th century.

Union busting is an evil practice intended to rob workers of their ability to fight for their right to a living wage.

The system we now live in promotes wage slavery. Workers collectively bargaining with the right to walk out en masse is their only power against the wage slavers.

As was pointed out on the other thread, Laws that are not enforced, where there is no political will to enforce them, are meaningless.

This country is on the verge of losing it's Democracy. It is now a war between Social Justice and the wage slavers.

If we lose, then America becomes a fascist corporate plutocracy, filled with sweatshops just like in the third world. With wages and working conditions to rival the early 20th century.

Everything isn't some friggin political game without consequences. Everything doesn't remain the same.

Some things actually matter in life and death terms, in the future of a nation and it's people.

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', 'H')ave TPTB considered that people might not obediently starve and die? Whats to stop mobs of unemplyed people from doing this:
http://www.kare11.com/news/article/909497/396/Mob-robbers-hit-convenience-stores-in-St-Paul

[PrestonSturges]

Ever notice how GOPers have this very rigid fantasy about how they will be living in their bunker with a freezer full of Omaha steaks while mowing down the starving masses of you-know-who? This image of white folks in a bunker goes all the way back to the climax of "Birth Of A Nation" which is the fantasy version of the birth of Klan.

There seems to be very little variation on this theme, and not much flexibility on the idea that it is their destiny to sit on the last pile of resources for which they will be forced to kill. I guess there's some appeal in the idea of having the last word, the final victory, and the world's last can of Treet.

OK, so maybe you don't believe the course of history can change, but how can each of you be so certain about your individual fate? Maybe you won't be on the inside of the bunker, maybe you'll be outside. The devil is in the details, your milage may vary.

I've said it before, these guys seem totally sold on some sort of economic "determinism," that this is their inexorable destiny, baby. It's not worth pointing out that Marx was a determinist.....

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'W')ell, my apologies then. Still, while we at it , it'd be interesting to know your opinion about it.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'E')ver notice how GOPers have this very rigid fantasy about how they will be living in their bunker with a freezer full of Omaha steaks while mowing down the starving masses of you-know-who? This image of white folks in a bunker goes all the way back to the climax of "Birth Of A Nation" which is the fantasy version of the birth of Klan.

There seems to be very little variation on this theme, and not much flexibility on the idea that it is their destiny to sit on the last pile of resources for which they will be forced to kill. I guess there's some appeal in the idea of having the last word, the final victory, and the world's last can of Treet.

OK, so maybe you don't believe the course of history can change, but how can each of you be so certain about your individual fate? Maybe you won't be on the inside of the bunker, maybe you'll be outside. The devil is in the details, your milage may vary.

I've said it before, these guys seem totally sold on some sort of economic "determinism," that this is their inexorable destiny, baby. It's not worth pointing out that Marx was a determinist.....

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'O')nce 'collective bargining' is deemed illegal, pensions will be gutted as what's happened in the private sector, next SS will be axed, life expectancy for the average American will be in the early 50's. There will be nothing for the older crippled up discarded worker. All those middle class republican voters will get what they asked for. We are screwed.

[vision-master]

Oily wants his $50 you owe him.

Well?

[vision-master]

Tell us about yourself?