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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Umber » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 11:23:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'O')nce 'collective bargining' is deemed illegal, pensions will be gutted as what's happened in the private sector, next SS will be axed, life expectancy for the average American will be in the early 50's. There will be nothing for the older crippled up discarded worker. All those middle class republican voters will get what they asked for. We are screwed.



The Libertarian dream! Paddle your own canoe.


Have TPTB considered that people might not obediently starve and die? Whats to stop mobs of unemplyed people from doing this:
http://www.kare11.com/news/article/909497/396/Mob-robbers-hit-convenience-stores-in-St-Paul :?:

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DAO-12 Street Sweeper... automatic shotgun, 12 shotgun shells in rotating barrel. Would have worked wonders during the LA Riots. Don't forget, the Repugs have lots of guns.


That particular firearm is not "automatic", it's semi-auto. Fires once each time the trigger is squeezed. It also does not hold "12 shotgun shells in a rotating barrel". It holds shotgun shells in a drum magazine. But, for a guy who actually believes he's going to have a barrier of impenetrable vegetation around his doomstead so he can hide from / fend off the zombies, you got it fairly close.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 12:01:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Umber', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'E')ver notice how GOPers have this very rigid fantasy about how they will be living in their bunker with a freezer full of Omaha steaks while mowing down the starving masses of you-know-who?

Congratulations, Preston. You've managed to describe exactly our very own Cid Yama. He's bunkered up with plenty of food to feed HIS family and has enough firepower stowed away to mow down anyone with the cheek to attempt to steal from an ex-diplomat. And, being wealthy and plenty savvy about worldly affairs, he has a state of the art security system to provide advance warning should anyone, starving or not, attempt to crash the gates. Good thing his Pop was one of those nasty, rolling in the dough kinda guys (he didn't even read his own books!) so he could leave Cid enough of his filthy loot to accomplish these things.
Wonder if Cid votes Republican?

I also occasionally see survivalist types who are toying with the idea of shooting anyone within 500 yards (which sort of assumes they can will never come out again or they'd get lynched). Or the Christians who toy with the idea of letting people interview for admission to "the compund," but if the newcomer doesn't fit into their little Dominionist version of North Korea, they will kill and bury them so the outside world does not find out about their crappy little utopia.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 12:03:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'E')ver notice how GOPers have this very rigid fantasy about how they will be living in their bunker with a freezer full of Omaha steaks while mowing down the starving masses of you-know-who? This image of white folks in a bunker goes all the way back to the climax of "Birth Of A Nation" which is the fantasy version of the birth of Klan.
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Maybe the GOPers picture the nice white Republican folk in the future holed up in their gated communities like Minas Tirith as everything collapses, nobly fighting all the Negro Uruk-hai and Orcs.

(Somehow though I doubt you'll see the invincible ghosts of the KKK swarming in to save the day)

You've seen the movie!
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Cog » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 12:54:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'O')ily wants his $50 you owe him. :)

Well?


Are you his press secretary?

I was waiting for the official GDP results and haven't seen him post them yet.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 13:56:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Umber', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'E')ver notice how GOPers have this very rigid fantasy about how they will be living in their bunker with a freezer full of Omaha steaks while mowing down the starving masses of you-know-who?

Congratulations, Preston. You've managed to describe exactly our very own Cid Yama. He's bunkered up with plenty of food to feed HIS family and has enough firepower stowed away to mow down anyone with the cheek to attempt to steal from an ex-diplomat. And, being wealthy and plenty savvy about worldly affairs, he has a state of the art security system to provide advance warning should anyone, starving or not, attempt to crash the gates. Good thing his Pop was one of those nasty, rolling in the dough kinda guys (he didn't even read his own books!) so he could leave Cid enough of his filthy loot to accomplish these things.
Wonder if Cid votes Republican?


The estate is very large, very wooded and double fenced. You can't see anything from outside except the outer fence and signs warning about the packs of very large dogs in between the double fencing waiting for a meal. If you cross that first fence, I doubt we could get to you in time.

Frankly, I'ld rather not have to shoot anyone. If someone managed to cross the second perimeter, it wouldn't be by accident, and they will have knowingly forfeited their own life.

I come from very old money on BOTH sides of the family. Three of my ancestors on my mom's side came over on the Mayflower. A several times great uncle was Bishop of Peterborough and presided over the funeral of Mary Queen of Scots. My several times great grandfather was Yeoman to Queen ElIzabeth I.
Another of my several times great grandfathers was Nathaniel Gorham, 14th President of the United States in Congress assembled under the Articles of Confederation and was a signer of the US Constitution.

I have voted Democrat all my life. My mother's side of the family were Joseph Kennedy Democrats. My dad, a Joseph McCarthy Republican. How they ever got married is beyond me.

Mom told me that, by the time I was 5, she had lost all respect for the man, and had stayed together for the sake of us kids. (They got divorced when I was in college.) We associated with mom's side of the family almost exclusively.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 14:33:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '
')The estate is very large, very wooded and double fenced. You can't see anything from outside except the outer fence and signs warning about the packs of very large dogs in between the double fencing waiting for a meal. If you cross that first fence, I doubt we could get to you in time.

Sounds like one of those hunting lodges tucked away in Rolling Rock Country Club where Cheney goes to shoot wingless quailtards and Dick Scaife has Pee-Wee's Bunker.

You know darn well that rich folks die very frequently under highly suspicious circumstances when there's an inheritance at stake. It's amazing how easily rich folks die accidently falling down flights of stairs, fall off balconies, drown in the tub, etc etc etc. How long do you think you would last when law enforcement is too busy to figure out how you ended up at the bottom of the pool?
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 15:21:17

I have no children. It has been willed in it's entirety to a Foundation that will be established upon my death.

That sounds very strange to me. It's like I'm living in two worlds. The one that ends within 10 years and the one "as if" everything was going to continue on.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 15:29:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'I') have no children. It has been willed in it's entirety to a Foundation that will be established upon my death.

Wow, how does a catch like you stay single?

But I meant to imply, you'd better watch your back around the help and your attorneys.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 15:42:31

I am married, I just have no children. If I die first, the Foundation will maintain the estate and provide for her until she dies.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 16:48:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'I') am married, I just have no children. If I die first, the Foundation will maintain the estate and provide for her until she dies.

Well that'll be interesting. Trusts can work quite well. I don't know about foundations. Without an heir to have ultimate authority, it might difficult to predict how it will be handled after you and your wife are gone.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 17:10:10

There will be no civilization left when we are gone. People still don't grasp the immensity of what a 3.5 GT annual release of methane means. 300 yrs equivalent of GHG emmisions over 10 yrs. maybe 6 degrees C warming within that time frame, maybe more.

Worldwide famine, billions of deaths.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 17:31:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')hat sounds very strange to me. .


Its OK, Cid Don't let Xeno get under your skin.

It is a bit strange for a very wealthy eccentric to live in a secluded mansion surrounded by double fencing with killer dogs guarding him.

But if thats who you are....then just go with it.

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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 17:36:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'T')here will be no civilization left when we are gone. People still don't grasp the immensity of what a 3.5 GT annual release of methane means. 300 yrs equivalent of GHG emmisions over 10 yrs. maybe 6 degrees C warming within that time frame, maybe more.

Worldwide famine, billions of deaths.

Well then why not tear up your will and just let all property transfer to your wife at the time of your death?
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby anador » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 18:01:28

Hell why not use the money to build something for the powerdown?

That wealth will all be destroyed by a breakdown in society if placed in a foundation.

Since you can afford the walled palace...

You could probably afford to rebuild an entire small town to post peak specifications. That would be really charitable, a foundation and its embanked assets will vanish with the powerdown and do very little charitable good.

A defensible self sufficient town... that would really help some people.

Wealthy philanthropy really isn't what it used to be. Now people put money in one charitable fund or another and forget about it.

In the nineteenth centuries the wealthy would build works of art and architecture to beautify and improve their cities.

They built infrastructure and institutions, and doing it with a flair government bureaucracy fails to achieve.
@#$% highways
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 18:04:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('anador', '
')In the nineteenth centuries the wealthy would build works of art and architecture to beautify and improve their cities.


Earlier than that, the wealthy were expected to care for the people living on their estates, including building houses for the old and infirm. If they did not do these things, they did not have good reputations among their peers (who were also Peers or Lords).
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby anador » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 18:13:31

I just imagined how much bio-char you could bury and sequester for 5 million dollars 8O

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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby RikkiTikkiTavi » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 18:40:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'Y')ou can't see anything from outside except the outer fence and signs warning about the packs of very large dogs in between the double fencing waiting for a meal.

What kind of dogs?
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby rangerone314 » Sat 26 Feb 2011, 19:34:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Umber', '
')That particular firearm is not "automatic", it's semi-auto. Fires once each time the trigger is squeezed. It also does not hold "12 shotgun shells in a rotating barrel". It holds shotgun shells in a drum magazine. But, for a guy who actually believes he's going to have a barrier of impenetrable vegetation around his doomstead so he can hide from / fend off the zombies, you got it fairly close.
I know it fires once when trigger squeezed, I was a tad tired when I posted.

Never said impenetrable, merely out-of-sight, out-of-mind, unlike those nearby cornfields. I don't need a fully impenetrable barrier anymore than I need to be able to outrun a bear to survive a bear attack. (I just need to outrun the other potential victims)

Another plus is unlike some of the other houses in the area, mine doesn't shout "wealth". More like you might step on a rusty nail setting foot on my property instead of finding gold bullion.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 28 Feb 2011, 22:18:41

I know you can't compare Wisconsin with Egypt of all places, but another similarity has arisen. The police have taken the protesters' side, refusing to clear the capitol building per the governor's order and even joining the protests:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ADISON, Wis. - In a victory for the labor movement and its allies, demonstrators slept overnight in the Capitol building here and continued to rally inside the building today, almost 24 hours after Republican Gov. Scott Walker and GOP legislators ordered police to clear them out.

Police, who politely requested demonstrators to leave for the night, made no arrests. As they had promised at several rallies, off-duty police were among those defying the governor's order and sitting in for the night.

By 8 a.m. Monday, newly-arrived demonstrators were joining those inside the Capitol as others marched outside.

"We are here and we will remain here until the governor stops his attacks on the middle class," said Stephanie Bloomingdale, secretary-treasurer of the Wisconsin state AFL-CIO. She was one of hundreds of ralliers who remained inside the Capitol Sunday night after the 4 p.m. Republican deadline.
http://peoplesworld.org/protesters-remain-in-capitol-despite-gov-s-order-to-clear-out/


And so just as in Egypt the crowds cheered the military, in Wisconsin to the people are cheering the police. In an opposite of Egypt, looks like the Wisconsin governor will have to call up the national guard to clear the protesters by force.

What's going on in Wisconsin is a hint of what collapse will be like.. police refusing to carry out orders because they're out protesting too, etc.

EDIT: watching Maddow on MSNBC.. she says the crowd size topped 100,000 over this last weekend.. it's day 14 now of the protests and the crowds are getting larger, not smaller.
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Re: Wisconsin protests: Egypt in America?

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 28 Feb 2011, 23:02:28

Wonder what it is like to be able to find the spare time to go to a protest?
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