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Re: The Perfect Economic Plan

Unread postby davep » Tue 15 Feb 2011, 14:02:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('teotwawki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rior to condoms and contraceptives people had natural unprotected sex all the time and yet the population never exploded like it did until in modern times. This is due to there being more food (agricultural revolution), much higher standards of living (in part thanks to technology and computing) and also better medicine and health-care practices.


That's a strange argument. The countries with modern agriculture, higher standards of living and better health care are the ones with the lowest per-capita birth rates. Europe's population is set to fall over the next 40 years, for example.


In terms of raw nominal numbers you are correct. However, from a per-capita energy consumption standpoint the Western nation's "birth rate" is comparatively speaking much higher than that of the rest of the "third world".. For example, a single child in America on average consumes 16 times the energy and resources of the average Indian child.. So the anecdotal 2.5 kids is more or less like an Indian family of 40..


Indeed. So it has nothing to do with simplistic arguments about general population levels and offing old people.
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Re: The Perfect Economic Plan

Unread postby americandream » Tue 15 Feb 2011, 15:17:37

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Using the same arguments that capitalism is better than communism or socialism, one can see that pure capitalism is a self-similar subset of evolution itself. The reason "capitalism" has triumphed over communism/socialism is an evolutionary one. The "invisible hand of adam smith" might as well be called "natural selection"..

I think you are correct to say that as resources continue to dwindle there will be placed upon us all these structural bounds that will naturally constrain and cap our options on all levels. When couples can no longer afford to have children, they don't need an artificial "law" or mandate prohibiting them from doing so.


So presumably one may call the bailout, the "invisible scam of Tax Payer". :lol:

Oh, and following your logic, as we get richer, presumably we have no real need for laws on theft and can jettison them. After all, widespread cornucopia will reign and being able to afford the fruits of capitalism's evolutionary triumph should clearly lead to that next step, the removal of all artificial laws premised around scarcity. :lol:
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Re: The Perfect Economic Plan

Unread postby careinke » Tue 15 Feb 2011, 17:45:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('teotwawki', '
')... Our ability to have distinct categorical-perception thresholds of qualitative experiential phenomenon is what gives way to the need and compulsion to adopt the use of something akin to a Lexical Hypothesis in terms of creating labels and their resultant definitional boundaries. While language exists as a means of convenient placeholder and pointer to internal subjective neural-correlates-of-consciousness, it is nonetheless a reductive and inherently translative approach that cannot possibly yield direct mappings to the 'real world'.. Categorization is cognition, we see repeated phenomenon and enough instances to sort out a pattern, then put a label to it.. the only problem is when you try to work backwards and assume that empirical reality itself could also conform to such inaccurate labellings and boundaries.



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Re: The Perfect Economic Plan

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 15 Feb 2011, 21:23:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('teotwawki', '['). When couples can no longer afford to have children, they don't need an artificial "law" or mandate prohibiting them from doing so. When old people find out their IRA/401K/Pension funds/etc was just fictitious monies and never actually existed (in terms of resources allocated to back up those valuations) in the first place, and they can't afford health-care, the problem will largely take care of itself.

. ...And this is perhaps by TPTB appears to have its head in the sand and not taking any real action. Perhaps they feel in due time mother nature and evolutionary forces and demand destruction will best "optimize" the shutdown.....


When the old find out they have no savings they will off themselves or line up for conversion to soilent green? Yeah right! The poor don't breed! OMG!!!

I wish you would at least use the ordinary meanings for words, this site has it's own lingua franca.
TPTB stands for The Powers That Be. There is a plural implicit in the terminology, TPTB cannot be described as an 'it' any more than the population of Rhode Island can. When you start a thread with a heading "The Perfect Economic Plan"; you should have some at least reasonably thought out ideas.
Also if you are going to start a debate, CHOOSE A SIDE!!!

Your ignorance of politics is astounding! You are talking about governments who don't have the testicular fortitude to institute energy taxes for mitigation strategies; seeking a mandate to kill citizens at a certain age? You are a complete nut.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')So you would consider what happened on Easter Island as a genocide? Our ability to have distinct categorical-perception thresholds of qualitative experiential phenomenon is what gives way to the need and compulsion to adopt the use of something akin to a Lexical Hypothesis in terms of creating labels and their resultant definitional boundaries. While language exists as a means of convenient placeholder and pointer to internal subjective neural-correlates-of-consciousness, it is nonetheless a reductive and inherently translative approach that cannot possibly yield direct mappings to the 'real world'.. Categorization is cognition, we see repeated phenomenon and enough instances to sort out a pattern, then put a label to it.. the only problem is when you try to work backwards and assume that empirical reality itself could also conform to such inaccurate labellings and boundaries.


Man, that is without a doubt the biggest bag of fart I have seen on this site. "Cannot yield direct mappings"? Huh? Maps are the very example of metaphor. They are synonyms for each other. Language is a form of mapping. Are you like 15? Is your daddy rich and your mamma good looking?
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