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THE Food Price Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby Ferretlover » Wed 09 Feb 2011, 23:41:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Satori', 's')erious crop losses in Mexico will put even more pressure on food prices.

And, increase the number of illegal aliens sneaking across the border.
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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby PrestonSturges » Thu 10 Feb 2011, 01:22:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hinterlander', '[')b]China's Wheat Basket Faces Its Worst Drought In 200 Years
http://www.businessinsider.com/china-drought-20-years-2011-2
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hina's wheat basket, Shangdong Province, is stuck in the worst drought in 60 years. If weather forecasts hold true, this will be the worst drought in 200 years, according to Xinhua.
The government has already declared a state emergency to send relief to the province, including trucks full of drinking water and special equipment to irrigate the fields.
The Three Gorges Dam is at its lowest level in years as reserves are depleted, according to Xinhua.

China was semi sustainable for centuries, then Mao tried to plan it centrally. More recently China is creating megaprojects that look impressive up close and mighty precarious from a distance. What's that Borg like megacity they're building?

It's hard to think of China as a mitary foe when they are building so many big bullseyes to bomb.
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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby Ludi » Thu 10 Feb 2011, 10:48:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '
')China was semi sustainable for centuries



Except for the famines that killed tens of millions of people.
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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby Rod_Cloutier » Thu 10 Feb 2011, 18:21:25

I work for a major food wholesaler. The crop disaster in Mexico spawned emergency meetings with top level executives today. This is something that more than anything will affect Food Quality more than it will affect food volume.

This IS an event affecting not the 3rd world poor, but wealthy people across North America. Expect huge increases in the next few weeks for the price of most produce, AND a severe reduction in food quality until the next crop is available.
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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby eXpat » Thu 10 Feb 2011, 18:25:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'I') work for a major food wholesaler. The crop disaster in Mexico spawned emergency meetings with top level executives today. This is something that more than anything will affect Food Quality more than it will affect food volume.

This IS an event affecting not the 3rd world poor, but wealthy people across North America. Expect huge increases in the next few weeks for the price of most produce, AND a severe reduction in food quality until the next crop is available.

Thank you for the news!, do you have some more information?
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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby eXpat » Thu 10 Feb 2011, 22:37:58

LOL! 8O 8O 8O :shock: , just for the record, i would avoid such a protest as well.
Bolivian President Evo Morales flees food price protest
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')olivian President Evo Morales has abandoned a public event in the face of an angry protests over food shortages and price rises.

Mr Morales was due to address a parade to commemorate a colonial-era uprising in the mining city of Oruro.

But he and his team left the city to avoid a violent demonstration by miners throwing dynamite.

There have also been protests in other Bolivian cities over the shortage of sugar and other basic foodstuffs.

Mr Morales cut short his visit and returned to La Paz after protesters set off explosions close to where he was preparing to give a speech in Oruro, the capital of his home province in western Bolivia.

"The government took the decision not to respond to shameful provocations of this kind," presidential spokesman Ivan Canelas said.
Wave of protest

Setting off dynamite is a common feature of trade union protests in Bolivia, where the explosive is widely available to miners, but injuries are rare.

In the eastern city of Santa Cruz - an opposition stronghold - protesters blocked the road to the airport to demand the government scrap an agency set up to promote food production.

The protesters say the agency - known as Emapa - is inefficient and discourages private commerce.

Smaller protests were also staged in La Paz and the central city of Cochabamba, although marches were called off because of bad weather.

President Morales is facing a wave of protest over rising food and transport costs and a shortage of sugar

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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby Rod_Cloutier » Thu 10 Feb 2011, 23:46:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hank you for the news!, do you have some more information?


Sorry, that was the news. I'm not a high ranking executive and I didn't get to sit in on the Mexico produce emergency meeting at work. Anyways, there's no food shortage in North America anytime soon, just higher cost produce items, at a lower quality for a brief period of time.

A lower quality of produce was the issue. People who pay $100 a plate for a meal, don't want to eat tomatoes or peppers that have been even remotely exposed to a frost event. (Right now they don't have to). Not to mention extreme government food safety regulations about food quality.

The workplace I work in operates a large scale warehousing and ammonia based refridgeration system. Twenty truckloads of goods are received by truck a day, and twenty truckloads of goods are shipped out each day to customers. I can't imagine how my workplace could function without large scale fossil fuel inputs, mega amounts of electricity, and so forth. As food becomes more scarce over time, expect that food quality and food safety regulations will have to diminish in tandem with the change.
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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby Cid_Yama » Fri 11 Feb 2011, 02:34:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')etting off dynamite is a common feature of trade union protests in Bolivia, where the explosive is widely available to miners, but injuries are rare.


We need to adopt this practice in our country. Would work well to get the GOP's attention.

A healhy respect for what workers have access to and what they might do to them if pissed off, would enhance negotiations remarkably.
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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby Cid_Yama » Fri 11 Feb 2011, 12:49:36

PHOTOS: $29 Cheez Whiz? High Arctic food costs
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hese grocery shelves in the High Arctic community of Arctic Bay, Nunavut, have people talking this week — $38 for cranberry cocktail, $29 for Cheez Whiz, and a whopping $77 for a bag of breaded chicken.

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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby sparky » Fri 11 Feb 2011, 20:15:48

Here is the link to the good stuff , the WASDE report from the department of agriculture
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no big drama as yet but stocks are worryingly low, plenty of purchases by government anticipating the worst , there is some speculation and some precautionary buying by countries with subsidized food programs

This year harvest is done , everybody is waiting for the northern growing season to start.
the critical times are germinating in early spring , when the shoots are vulnerable to drying or frost and a wet summer , it make harvesting impossible to access , also wet grain cannot be stored like for all thing agricultural , weather is the only thing which matter
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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby Rod_Cloutier » Mon 14 Feb 2011, 01:09:20

I read this excellent article about unrest among youth in America, it included some recent youtube filmed fights between young people in public places that were very, very disturbing. (Glad I'm not living in the USA):

http://inteldaily.com/2011/01/is-this-w ... n-america/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat in the world is happening to America? The things that you are about to see in the videos posted in this article are so disturbing and so violent that it is hard to believe that it is actually Americans that are doing this to one another. Once upon a time, Americans generally conducted themselves with humility, grace, civility, honor and with a tremendous amount of respect for others. Sadly, those days are now long gone. Now, large numbers of people in this country are just going wild. Unfortunately, the videos you are about to watch are not isolated incidents. Stuff like this is going on all over the country. So what is going to happen when the economy collapses and shortages begin? What kind of violence and rioting should we expect to see at that point? Just recall what we witnessed in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Sadly, if the videos below are any indication, the thin facade of civilization that we all take for granted every day could completely disintegrate in the event of a major economic catastrophe.

Today, society actually teaches our young people to be disrespectful and rude. Arrogance and violent behavior are glorified in our movies, on television and in our music. Our culture is literally degenerating right in front of our eyes. The whole country seems to become more selfish, more self-centered and more greedy every single day. In such an environment, is it any wonder that our young people are exhibiting such extreme behaviors?

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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby Newfie » Mon 14 Feb 2011, 04:43:02

Repent, that ain't nothing. Those are merely little local skirmishes. Here in Philadelphia last year they had much bigger events that were organized as "flash mobs" where hundreds of youths would gather at some venue to be generally rude and nasty to others. Then the fights started. A few years ago I personally intervened in a street fight in downtown where a bunch of youths were pummelling and kicking some girl. Stupid me stopped the car and waded into the mele yelling "cut it out." Amazingly they did and fled like a flock of birds, after they gave her a final few boots. She took of too and the whole mess cleared out in seconds.

But for bigger stuff Google the 1968 Democratic National Convention.
http://www.google.com/search?q=democrat ... e12107320c

Then there were the race riots of the '60's where whole sections of cities were burned. Here is a list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1 ... ts_by_year

But further back there was the Bonus Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')onus Army
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Casualties and losses
4 dead; 1,017 injured At least 69 police injured

The self-named Bonus Expeditionary Force was an assemblage of some 43,000 marchers—17,000 World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groups—who protested in Washington, D.C., in the spring and summer of 1932. Called the Bonus March by the news media, the Bonus Marchers were more popularly known as the Bonus Army. It was led by Walter W. Waters, a former Army sergeant. The veterans were encouraged in their demand for immediate cash-payment redemption of their service certificates by retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler, one of the most popular military figures of the time.

Many of the war veterans had been out of work since the beginning of the Great Depression. The World War Adjusted Compensation Act of 1924 had awarded them bonuses in the form of certificates they could not redeem until 1945. Each Service Certificate, issued to a qualified veteran soldier, bore a face value equal to the soldier's promised payment plus compound interest. The principal demand of the Bonus Army was the immediate cash payment of their Certificates.

On July 28, U.S. Attorney General William D. Mitchell ordered the veterans removed from all government property. Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired and two veterans were wounded and later died. President Herbert Hoover then ordered the army to clear the veterans' campsite. Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur commanded the infantry and cavalry supported by six tanks. The Bonus Army marchers with their wives and children were driven out, and their shelters and belongings burned.


Then during the Civil War there were the NY Draft Riots:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Draft_Riots
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he New York Draft Riots (July 13 to July 16, 1863; known at the time as Draft Week[3]) were violent disturbances in New York City that were the culmination of discontent with new laws passed by Congress to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots were the largest civil insurrection in American history apart from the Civil War itself.[4] President Abraham Lincoln sent several regiments of militia and volunteer troops to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working class men, resentful, among other reasons, because the draft unfairly affected them while sparing wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300.00 Commutation Fee to exclude themselves from its reach.[5][6]

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned ugly and degraded into "a virtual racial pogrom, with uncounted numbers of blacks murdered on the streets". The conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool stated on July 16, "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[7] The military suppressed the mob using artillery and fixed bayonets, but not before numerous buildings were ransacked or destroyed, including many homes and an orphanage for black children.[8]


My point is that the US survived all of that relatively OK. I think worse is coming but we are not there yet. Just try to put this in context and don't panic. This stuff is just normal people being a@#$#holes.
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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby americandream » Mon 14 Feb 2011, 06:36:46

The markets are taking note of the confluence of stormy events in food:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-1 ... pesek.html
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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby Revi » Mon 14 Feb 2011, 16:13:34

The best thing is that the prices at the farmers market are now about the same as those at the grocery store. Transportation costs are making the food from the outside world more expensive.

http://www.skowheganfarmersmarket.com/
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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby eXpat » Wed 16 Feb 2011, 14:06:18

Rising Food Prices Push Millions Into Poverty, Study Says
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') sharp rise in food prices since June has pushed 44 million people in developing countries into extreme poverty — having to live on less than $1.25 a day — according to a new study by the World Bank.

The bank’s price index soared 29 percent from January 2010 to January 2011 (15 percent just from October to January). Wheat, maize, sugar and edible oils have seen the sharpest price increases in the last six months, with a relatively smaller increase in rice. The rising prices have increased the vulnerability of economies, particularly those that import a high share of their food and have limited capacity for government borrowing and spending.

“In the immediate term, it is important to ensure that further increases in poverty are curtailed by taking measures that calm jittery markets and by scaling up safety net and nutritional programs,” the World Bank said in the report, released Tuesday. “Investments in raising environmentally sustainable agricultural productivity, better risk-management tools, less food intensive biofuel technologies, and climate change adaptation measures are all necessary over the medium term to mitigate the impact of expected food price volatility on the most vulnerable.”

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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby eXpat » Sat 19 Feb 2011, 10:04:30

Protests in Bolivia again.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')housands of people have rallied in La Paz, Bolivia to demand higher salaries as the cost of food and fuel increases.

Unions led Friday's demonstrators, who marched in the streets of the capital to protest the cost of living. Some of the protesters set off sticks of dynamite while taking part in the fifth day of protests in the Andean nation.

The protest comes one month after President Evo Morales said he planned to raise fuel prices eventually, despite rescinding a decree to do so. Morales has said the increase is necessary to level prices in the region so government subsidies do not pay for gasoline that is smuggled in from other countries.

Those comments came after the government announced a 73 percent increase in gas prices and an 83 percent increase for diesel fuel. Subsequent strikes by bus and taxi drivers to protest the new prices hobbled transit in many cities across the nation.

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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby eXpat » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 15:52:26

Farmers Fail to Meet Demand as Corn Stockpiles Drop to 1974 Low
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Feb. 22 (Bloomberg) -- The smallest corn inventories in 37 years are a sign farmers around the globe are failing to produce enough grain to meet rising consumption, even as planting expands and food prices surge.

Growers from Canada to Russia boosted annual output of wheat, rice and feed grain by 16 percent since 2000, not enough to keep up with the 20 percent gain in demand, U.S. Department of Agriculture data show. While a Bloomberg survey of 25 analysts shows the agency on Feb. 24 may forecast a 3.5 percent increase in U.S. corn planting, the government says world stockpiles will equal 15 percent of use, the lowest since 1974.

Global inventories for all grain will drop 13 percent before the next harvest, the USDA estimates. That’s the first decline since 2007, when surging food prices sparked more than 60 riots from Haiti to Egypt. Increasing demand is causing isolated food shortages and accelerating inflation in developing countries even as it boosts farmers’ incomes and shifts planting strategies.

“We need to grow a huge crop this year to meet global food needs,” said Paul Jeschke, 58, who farms 3,600 acres (1,457 hectares) near Mazon, Illinois, and plans to boost corn planting by 50 percent because the crop is as much as $200 an acre more profitable than soybeans at current prices. “The increased demand for meat and dairy is driving demand for corn and soybeans.”

Rising incomes in developing countries are boosting food prices as people eat more meat and dairy products from crop-fed livestock. U.S. subsidies are fueling demand for ethanol made from grain, while droughts and floods in 2010 damaged global harvests.

Crop Prices Surge

Grain futures rallied this month to the highest since 2008 on the Chicago Board of Trade. Corn surged 95 percent in the past year to $7.2025 a bushel as of Feb. 18, wheat jumped 71 percent to $8.5575 a bushel, and soybeans advanced 44 percent to $13.81 a bushel. Rice gained 11 percent to $15.075 per 100 pounds.

Corn probably will reach a record $8 by 2012, and may touch $10 if the U.S. crop is disrupted, said Peter Sorrentino, who helps manage $14.4 billion at Huntington Asset Advisors. Goldman Sachs Group Inc. said on Feb. 10 that soybeans will rise the most, forecasting a 16 percent increase to $16 in the next three months. Wheat futures for delivery in December, after the U.S. harvest, trade at a 72.5-cent premium to the May contract, the widest spread since 2009.

Multi-Year Trend

“People have to eat, and we have a backdrop of falling stockpiles,” Sorrentino said by telephone from Cincinnati. “Even if we have a great harvest, we’ll just be getting back to levels people can be comfortable with in terms of stockpiles. The trend is going to be for increasing prices for years to come.”

The rally is encouraging farmers to plant more this year. The USDA, at its annual Agricultural Outlook Forum on Feb. 24 in Arlington, Virginia, probably will forecast an increase in U.S. corn planting to 91.281 million acres from 88.192 million, according to the average estimate in the Bloomberg News survey. Soybean planting may be little changed at 77.274 million acres, the survey showed.

Including winter varieties already in the ground and spring crops that will be sown before June, U.S. wheat farmers will plant a total of 57.206 million acres, up 8.8 percent from a year earlier, according to the Bloomberg survey. Even with increased acres, output may drop because growers will abandon more of the crop this year after dry weather hurt yields, according to Lanworth Inc., a crop forecaster in Chicago.

Declining Global Harvest

The global grain harvest was 2.179 billion metric tons during the past season, dropping 2.4 percent from 2010 and down for a second straight year, according to USDA data. While that’s up from 1.874 billion in 2000, it’s less than the department’s 2.235 billion-ton estimate of world consumption for this year.

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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby Newfie » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 18:47:30

Maybe you should post that to the "We can feed 9 billion thread." :-D
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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby eXpat » Tue 22 Feb 2011, 19:32:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'M')aybe you should post that to the "We can feed 9 billion thread." :-D

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Re: 2011 Food prices and Social unrest

Postby eXpat » Thu 24 Feb 2011, 11:44:03

Famine-like situation in North Korea as crops fail: Aid consortium
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ashington, DC, United States (AHN) – Economic sanctions have started taking a heavy toll on North Korea, with reports coming in from the reclusive Communist nation suggesting that an acute food scarcity is forcing people to live on wild grass.

A consortium of five aid groups–Christian Friends of Korea, Global Resource Services, Mercy Corps, Samaritan’s Purse and World Vision–while appealing for foreign aid to feed the most vulnerable lot in the isolated country, said a situation similar to the 1990s when thousands perished in a famine was waiting to happen.

A joint statement by the group Wednesday said, “The team observed evidence of malnutrition, food shortages and people foraging for wild grasses and herbs.” The aid consortium also said that hunger and malnutrition were prevalent more among population whose needs were served by North Korea’s public distribution system. It said that pregnant and nursing mothers, the old and the infirm and the very young were at grave risk of malnutrition.

Officials of the aid agencies were recently in North Korea where they were informed that 50 to 80 percent of wheat and barley cultivation had been severely damaged because of the unprecedented cold weather. Besides, they were informed, soaring food prices globally had made it difficult for Pyongyang to import sufficient amounts of grain.

Pyongyang’s strained relations with South Korea and the United States have not helped matters either, with the recent flashpoint being the indiscriminate shelling of a South Korean island. North Korea has also been blamed for the sinking of a South Korean warship, which resulted in the death of 43 personnel.

It’s ironic that the aid consortium, which was asked to pack up and leave North Korean shores in 2009 by the same regime, is being asked to return and resume aid. A South Korean newspaper recently reported that Pyongyang’s deputy envoy to the United Nations, Han Sang-Ryol, had urged the US to resume assistance to his impoverished nation. State Department spokesperson Philip Crowley said the US had not taken a decision on the issue, although it was assessing the situation.

Until 2008, South Korea used to send 400,000 tons of rice and 300,000 tons of fertilizer to its recalcitrant neighbor, but the deal ended after relations started deteriorating and the conservative Lee Myung-Bak took over as president of South Korea.

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