[Pops]

Yea, I agree with whoever upthread said that '08 taught the initial class of PO that playing the dial-up Camo/Rambo armchair survivalist game ain't so fun when the first real casualty is your paycheck, maybe some others (previously doing the boasting about their shrewd investments?) actually thought oil would just keep on rising forever and got their margin called in late '08.

I think it's partly that a good percentage of the "early adopters" were no more serious about po than pole shifters, or Chubacabara Cowboys or pathological deniers for that matter, just a little recreation or maybe acting-out for attention and moving on - at least we can be thankful for small favors.

I also think the whole "Green/Sustainable" bit allowed some people to believe they are actually are doing their bit for mitigation and "part of the solution" - hey, maybe they are, what do I know.

And then there are the Tranny Town folks who kind of backed into po but are nevertheless the default po movement for now.


But mostly what happened is peak oil has diffused out (this was the first forum, before '04 there were sites and I think one usenet group but no web forums) to the point that now many sites and blogs and forums and even MSM talk about po at least periodically. Do a Google blog search on "peak oil", I've read at least a dozen blogs talking about po that I'd not seen before today - since the wikileaks story.

So really, I think po is more of a movement now than ever if you can gauge by general awareness and discussion and certainly by action.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'Y')ou can have your prius and believe any mumbo junmbo you want. I'll stick by my prediction that the Volt will be a poor selling vehicle and an example of our limited thinking with respect to PO and how it affects us moving forward.

Any mileage claims need to be supported by studies of how real people drive them in the real world. Not some hyper-miling freaks.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', 'w')ell, we've never had a real march or protest. how can Peak Oil be a movement without marches & protests ?

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he Volt, the Prius and Ford Focus are a joke. All made with a huge expenditure of energy and raw resources that are in an ever growing short supply.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'W')hat proxy servers are you using by the way? they seem to be quite good at hiding your IP address. Either that or Aaron is not around anymore to keep you from using those tactics.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'I')t never made sense, in the long term, for an expensive 4,000 lb. auto to be shuttling around a single 150 lb person.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', ' ')...the rationing and shortages which peak oil is supposed to cause will not bother the average Volt commuter.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'A')mericans will SOLVE peak oil for the world and...I might venture...already are.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'Y')ou can have your prius and believe any mumbo junmbo you want.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'A')mericans will SOLVE peak oil for the world and...I might venture...already are.

[papa moose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'N')o belief required. I commute 700 miles on 10 gallons of regular unleaded. I imagine your efficient little commuter works out just as well?

Get yourself a Volt, the guys on the Volt forums are doing 700 miles on just 3 gallons! My mileage is pathetic!

[ONeil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('teotwawki', 'N')o, really... This is a serious question. I was first introduced to the whole "peak oil" thing back in 2006 when I accidentally bumped into Matt Savinar's LOTAC website while searching for articles on population overshoot."

Savinar's site was number one on Google whenever anyone did a search for "Peak Oil" or even just the keyword "oil"... Some politicians and businessmen were taking him very seriously. And Matthew Simmons, basically a dude who read a couple of books and reports on energy, oil and stuff like that then self-proclaimed himself as an insider industry "expert" and started pimping out advice (and doom) to whomever would listen.. Anyway, the going was good, as they say. Michael Ruppert had proclaimed Savinar as his "comrade in arms" and LOTAC was being whored by a few congressman on the senate floor as the true roadmap to the future.. Those days I tell you, was truly peak oil heaven. That was the peak of peak oil.. and then came the dieoff...

But what the heck happened? What happened?

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'N')o belief required. I commute 700 miles on 10 gallons of regular unleaded. I imagine your efficient little commuter works out just as well?

Get yourself a Volt, the guys on the Volt forums are doing 700 miles on just 3 gallons! My mileage is pathetic!

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ONeil', '
')Peak oil is significant, but so is the realization of 911.

[Kristen]

Isn't the oil used for automobiles (consumers) a small amount compared to jet fuel and agriculture? The reason the oil movement disintegrated was due to the lack of agreement between people.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ONeil', '
')Then I saw building 7.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'I')sn't the oil used for automobiles (consumers) a small amount compared to jet fuel and agriculture?

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'I')sn't the oil used for automobiles (consumers) a small amount compared to jet fuel and agriculture?

[ONeil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ONeil', '
')Peak oil is significant, but so is the realization of 911.

[SeaGypsy]

Please guys! Probably everyone here knows where I stand on 9/11. It does no favours to the cause to threadjack. I have said it before, here I will say it again: 9/11 has become the new Hitler. We need to be mature enough to not relate everything back to a singular cause in this manner. There is a thread for this stuff and people have a right not to be bombarded constantly. I am not a moderator, I have zero authority here, I am asking nicely// please unless there is a very direct reason to mention Hitler or 9/11; let's leave it out?