[davep]

Godwins Second Law:

http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?GodwinsSecondLaw

"As a wiki discussion grows longer, the probability of a reference to 9/11 approaches one."

[SeaGypsy]

ELM is more significant than peak in terms of politics over the last 10 years I think. For sure there was a crisis buiding and there was enormous pressure to get more oil, this certainly influenced GWB and the Allies to go into Iraq. Pointing to 9/11 in specific is in this case, futile. There are plenty of posts, thousands of them, speculating the possible manipulations by agencies and individuals. Their usefullness here is highly dispuable.

Sticking to known knowns, we do know that Iraq was invaded essentially on false pretenses, with the full intent of monopolising it's oil. There are 100+ little despot billionaire fascists we could have chosen to depose, we chose Iraq because we assumed it would be as dense with oil as Kuwait had been when the British annexed it. Wrong. The Brits weren't too far off and probably had a fair idea where most of the oil was when they drew that fatefull line.

This is a saga which stretches back to the dawn of time, it has quite a ways to go yet.
There is no singular event as such culminating anything. Each stage gets more complex and more novel.
Be carefull not to spend too much precious time over the past. If people are bright they will grok it it their own sweet way and time.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eak oil is significant, but so is the realization of 911.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ONeil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ONeil', '
')Peak oil is significant, but so is the realization of 911.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')oth are related to slaughter of innocents, tyranny and terrorism. Must we cease discussion when such horrendous events be mentioned? Or is the argument posed by the occasions of the mentioning far too overwhelming?

There's nothing in GodwinsLaws that says that "when this happens, you have lost the argument/the argument is over/the discussion has lost its merit. GodwinsLaw just says that, given a thread that goes on long enough, someone will eventually make a reference to the WorstPossibleThing? in current parlance. Up until now, it's been Hitler; now, it's 9/11. What this means for the discussion at hand as well as the people discussing makes for an interesting InkBlotTest?.

I have never thought of InkBlotTest?s as being interesting. Now Clouds shaped like horses, and dragons. And if you watch them long enough they change into other things. Now that's interesting. (But I suppose you mean interesting to the tester, not the testee) Who is what in your interesting test?

[vision-master]

I can tell ya one thing about the peak oil movement, I want nothing to do with it. Keep your cult out of my space....... I WANT nothing to do with you ppl........ Like a bad case of JW's!

Private messaging is OFF, no reply's to private PM's PERIOD! Are you listening Mods.

[SeaGypsy]

HaHa! Better refresh on the CoC Vishon. Mod evasion aint on. That means PM is.

[vision-master]

please don't call into question moderating decisions

[SeaGypsy]

Like marching into a police station blazin a fatty but forgetting to call the paper!

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I') can tell ya one thing about the peak oil movement, I want nothing to do with it. Keep your cult out of my space....... I WANT nothing to do with you ppl........ Like a bad case of JW's!

Private messaging is OFF, no reply's to private PM's PERIOD! Are you listening Mods.

[SeaGypsy]

Seriously Vish as a fellow 'On the Bus'; you are the one who's off. You must have done something to upset ferret if she is being at all vicious with you. Those are sharp teeth, but she never just sinks them in, you must have had a teaser and reacted badly. Lay off the herb a bit bro, or better still, ditch the skunk and go 100% organic. Prefereably GYO always. Keep it super nice for yourself as much as you can and remember you don't own the playground nomatter how much you like the swing.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I') can tell ya one thing about the peak oil movement, I want nothing to do with it.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '[')color=#FF0000]please don't call into question moderating decisions[/color]

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
') Keep your cult out of my space....... I WANT nothing to do with you ppl........ Like a bad case of JW's!

[Golgo13]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'W')hat they need to be doing is finding a way to build and market cars which get 50-70mpg. I want to buy one right now..but cant!

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'I') can tell ya one thing about the peak oil movement, I want nothing to do with it. Keep your cult out of my space....... I WANT nothing to do with you ppl........ Like a bad case of JW's!

Private messaging is OFF, no reply's to private PM's PERIOD! Are you listening Mods.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Golgo13', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'W')hat they need to be doing is finding a way to build and market cars which get 50-70mpg. I want to buy one right now..but cant!

[Pops]

I was at the library yesterday perusing the magazine rack and picked up a Fine Homebuilding (my favorite) and read an article titled "American House, Where It Wen't Wrong". Near the end there was a statement something like:
"...with climate change and peak oil at hand [we need to build smarter]...."

Just like that, no quotation marks, no rebuttals by CERA, just a straight out statement. The publisher is kinda Norm Abrams meets Martha Stewart with a "green builder" website as well, but FH (and sisters Fine Woodworking & Fine Gardening) are pretty popular.

This is what I meant when I said peak oil is moving beyond a movement in the sense of an ideology or campaign. It's more of a movement in the sense of a change in general opinion, in the general knowledge that there are limits to waste.

[pedalling_faster]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eak oil is significant, but so is the realization of 911.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', '
')Which one? Ones which had already happened, were thought to be happening right around 2001, or one which were still off in the future somewhere?