[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'I') seriously doubt a rapid die-off of billions of people as the decline starts to happen.

[Lore]

The boom/bust cycle in commodities can only go on for just so long. When it becomes apparent that there are real fundamental constraints to supply many countries will exacerbate the situation by hording reserves. We're seeing some of that right now in the base metals. This will be the cause for panic at which point the poorest of countries and their millions will be left with two rocks to rub together.

It's impossible to adjust to nothing and history is a poor indicator of the future when new factors are added to the equation.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')So why don't you go f#ck yourself, kid?

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')It's impossible to adjust to nothing and history is a poor indicator of the future when new factors are added to the equation.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'W')hen it comes to the housing bust and the desire of some to blame it on peak oil, no relationship has been established yet. Those who desire to find this relationship tend to be those who have been most disappointed by the mundane consequences of peak oil, now 6 years in the past.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Xenophobe', 'W')hen it comes to the housing bust and the desire of some to blame it on peak oil, no relationship has been established yet. Those who desire to find this relationship tend to be those who have been most disappointed by the mundane consequences of peak oil, now 6 years in the past.

[sparky]

This is certainly getting worst already

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he boom/bust cycle in commodities can only go on for just so long. When it becomes apparent that there are real fundamental constraints to supply many countries will exacerbate the situation by hording reserves. We're seeing some of that right now in the base metals. This will be the cause for panic at which point the poorest of countries and their millions will be left with two rocks to rub together.

It's impossible to adjust to nothing and history is a poor indicator of the future when new factors are added to the equation.

[thuja]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'I') seriously doubt a rapid die-off of billions of people as the decline starts to happen.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')t seems you have constructed a myth that spares you and other wealthy 1st worlders. You kind of have it backwards. The Western Industrialized world and Japan depend on the 3rd world countries for minerals and many agricultural commodities. When those countries fall into chaos, then ours will not be far behind.

[jupiters_release]

We all know the banking system's always been corrupt at its core for centuries, but the level of ponzi fraud the central banks allowed in finance and housing over the past decade was unprecedented. Is it coincidence the banks would time 'the big grab' with peak oil? I couldn't get through watching the latest Zeitgeist, but one quote was succinct "This Shit's Gotta Go".

Assuming the internet doesn't get killed here (LOL) we too can facebook the revolution for democracy! (YAY!)

[dissident]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s we tumble down the post-peak plateau (this year? next?, five years?) we will lose 10 million barrels/year production.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s we tumble down the post-peak plateau (this year? next?, five years?) we will lose 10 million barrels/year production.

[Xenophobe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'y')ou know you are talking gibberish?

[Jenab]

It sounds like there is a major pooh-pooh effort going on. The basic ideas of peak oil are

1. that there always was a finite supply of oil and natural gas on Earth, and that we've reached or passed the midpoint.

2. that demand continues to rise while supplies do not, resulting in bidding up the price of oil until many persons must do without and until many businesses fail, both of which damage the economy to the point of general economic collapse.

3. that the last half of the oil extracted from a field is the dirty half and that as the field continues to be depleted the costs, whether measured in money or in energy, of extraction rise until further attempts at extraction serve no useful purpose.

The most significant extrapolation from the above ideas is that people are going to suffer, and many may die when food and essential services can no longer reach them. However, as will usually happen when people prophesy a coming disaster, they repeatedly predict the dates on their projected timeline too early, and that makes it easy for mocking propagandists to say "See there! It didn't happen when you said it would! So your whole basic idea is wrong, and we may safely conclude that we are not in any danger and never were." And when the disaster eventually does happen, a lot of people, who were once prepared and who might have remained so, aren't prepared any more.

What has happened is that the people in government and in the oil industry wish to continue business as usual, making their OWN preparations for the coming bad times without any interference by an alarmed public. So we begin to see threads with titles like this one has, where the minions of disinformation sew their pacific propagandas.

There's a difference between a cult and a group that keeps anxiously jumping the gun about timetables. The difference is in the quality of their basic premises, and those of Peak Oil are very good basic premises.