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The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby PeakOiler » Sun 09 Jan 2011, 21:28:20

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This year I may keep tabs on who holds the #1 spot the most based on the Wednesday data release.
Daniel Plainview has one of the 52. (1/52)
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby PeakOiler » Wed 12 Jan 2011, 20:49:30

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Cog takes the lead after the 2nd EIA WTI data release of the year.

A new high price will be reported next Wednesday.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 13 Jan 2011, 09:34:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '*') OPEC may boost output if oil price hits $110 a barrel

* The world's economies can afford $100/bbl oil

KUWAIT, Jan 9 (Reuters) - Speculation could push oil prices to rise to $110 per barrel within a few weeks, which may prompt OPEC to raise production, a member of Kuwait's Supreme Petroleum Council (SPC) said on Sunday.

"Demand will increase slightly, but this increase in price is usually technical, due to analysts' forecasts and speculations," Imad al-Atiqi, a member of the country's highest oil policy body, told Reuters in a telephone interview.

"This (increase) could be a reason to increase production so the oil market does not get worried ... especially if the rise was quick and crossed the $110," he said.


http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/UPDATE-1-OPEC-hike-oil-output-targetukfocus-3066401461.html?x=0

Another entry for our "cheery statements from opec" thread. Maybe we can get the mods to start a new thread for us....
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby no_name » Thu 13 Jan 2011, 20:12:45

high 114
low 87
close 106
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Fri 14 Jan 2011, 04:49:22

I might fair pretty well this year if this guest post from ZeroHedge works out. Gotta love the Apocalyptic Christian group predictions though :oops:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-who-how-and-why-140-oil-and-5-gas$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Who, How and Why: $140 Oil and $5 Gas
According to a loosely-organized apocalyptic Christian movement, May 21, 2011 will be the "end of days." On or about that same date, the price of oil in the United States will begin to climb to $4 a gallon, according to two savants of the oil industry.

The former is highly unlikely but the latter is very probable.

The escalation in the price of oil is predicted by the legendary oil man T. Boone Pickens, known for his financial acuity as well as his oil expertise, and John Hofmeister, who retired as president of Shell Oil Company, to sound the alarm about the rate of U.S. consumption of oil.

In an interview with a trade publication, Hofmeister predicted that oil would rise to $4 a gallon this year and to $5 a gallon in the election year 2012. Separately, Pickens—who has been leaning on Congress to enact an energy policy that would switch large trucks and other commercial vehicles from imported oil to domestic natural gas—predicts that oil currently selling for just over $90 a barrel will go to $120 a barrel, with a concomitant price per gallon of $4 or more.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Fri 14 Jan 2011, 04:50:51

actually I just realized in the qoute above the author references oil in gallon terms and not barrel...
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby sparky » Fri 14 Jan 2011, 16:58:18

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There is some inconsistency in the oil prices market

West Texas Intermediate is considered the reference grade ( blend )
both because it is delivered in a pipeline network close to users
and because it is a light and very sweet grade , easy to refine

Historically it had a price premium over other indexes
-London Brent ...... used for Europe / Africa
-Singapore Tapis ....used for Asia/ Pac
and Opec basket ....The "official " price used for quota and price grading

opec basket being the lowest , then Brent/Tapis and WTI

The above description is somewhat superficial but close enough for the purpose

Now there is some massive disconnect in the price

- Opec .....94 $
- Brent......98 $
- Tapis ....104 $
- WTI .......91 $ ?????


it looks like WTI is under-priced by a whooping 10$

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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby jdmartin » Sat 15 Jan 2011, 02:25:52

Hey, I'm a little late past the 7th but I'd like to play again. Haven't had internet access for a while. If you guys will let me back in this year, Here are my guesses:

High: 135
Low: 78
Close: 109

Congrats also to SeaGypsy for pulling it out for 2010.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby Mesuge » Sat 15 Jan 2011, 08:14:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', ' ')Now there is some massive disconnect in the price

- Opec .....94 $
- Brent......98 $
- Tapis ....104 $
- WTI .......91 $ ?????

it looks like WTI is under-priced by a whooping 10$


Perhaps, it's not under priced - since some fundamental driver has been supressed or taken over by another/stronger dynamics, namely in this example, the sucking sound of "asian recovery". Many investors brag about moving the consumption (aka growth) from lazy west into Asia permanently, defacto burning bridges at home.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby PeakOiler » Sat 15 Jan 2011, 09:02:53

I've added no_name and jdmartin to the list of players. That places no_name at #10 and jdmartin at #20.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 15 Jan 2011, 09:35:55

For the same reason Sparky stated for WTI's low price; Tapis is the other end of the cost spectrum.
The Tapis price is both to do with proximity to the tigers and the scattered nature of the regions oil sources. There are no oil pipelines in SE Asia, apart from a few short platform to shore rigs in Australia and Malaysia/ Brunei. Everything is triple handled, before refinement.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby jdmartin » Sat 15 Jan 2011, 11:07:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakOiler', 'I')'ve added no_name and jdmartin to the list of players. That places no_name at #10 and jdmartin at #20.


Thanky :)
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby Revi » Sun 16 Jan 2011, 20:26:33

I've heard that WTI is not what it used to be. It includes a lot of that syncrude that they make in Alberta, and other junk, so it's not the light sweet crude that used to be the reason it commanded a higher price. Anyone else hear anything about it?
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby PeakOiler » Thu 20 Jan 2011, 20:22:31

The EIA reported a new high price for the year of $91.86 in the last week. The closing price was $90.86 on 19-Jan.

Daniel Plainview retakes the #1 spot in "week 3".
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby bratticus » Sat 22 Jan 2011, 11:24:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakOiler', '[')img]http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p142/PeakOiler/2011OilPriceChallenge011111.jpg[/img]

Cog takes the lead after the 2nd EIA WTI data release of the year.

A new high price will be reported next Wednesday.

Man you need to put std deviation in. Repent has f-ed up your averages.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby PeakOiler » Sat 22 Jan 2011, 12:29:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bratticus', '
')Man you need to put std deviation in. Repent has f-ed up your averages.


Posting the raw averages allows readers to check the math. But you're right, Repent and roccman's guesses are outliers. Recalculating the averages without their guesses gives $127.97 for the high, $79.84 for the low, and $112.73 for the close.

Using Excel's simple linear regression function to add a trendline to the 19-Jan data (without Repent and roccmans' numbers) yields this graph:

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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby sparky » Sat 22 Jan 2011, 18:24:59

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There is also a quirk of numbers ,
early in the year all those having tipped a low maximum and closing are statistically coming out with a better ranking .
It cannot be avoided , unless one do some time ratio correction ,
which I think would be wrong
so all of those with high numbers and low ranking don't worry ,
we should get better later ( maybe :) )
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby PeakOiler » Thu 03 Feb 2011, 16:21:17

Since there was a new high and a new low price for WTI in the same week last week, I thought I'd post the new scorecard:

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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby dorlomin » Thu 03 Feb 2011, 16:43:58

Too late to enter? Id go for a high of 101. A low of 60 and a finishing of around 75.

On the low side but I would be guessing on a slow down on Q3 and Q4 and draining econmic confidence and a lot of volatility as bullish long positions on oil and other comodities get hurt.
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Re: The 2011 PO.com Oil Price Challenge

Unread postby sparky » Thu 03 Feb 2011, 18:47:14

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On the subject of Brent versus WTI

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/60af28b6-2f00 ... z1CwDPbZE7
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