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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Sun 02 Jan 2011, 22:11:59

That's too bad. Let me know when you want to have honest debate and discussion deleted
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02948.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')merica has a lot of natural gas, much of it newly accessible thanks to improved drilling technology. The fuel is inexpensive. The technology to run cars on natural gas exists, and burning natural gas instead of gasoline may reduce vehicle carbon emissions. Building enough fueling stations to service passenger cars, though, would be very expensive. So Mr. Reid, with a sustained push from natural gas booster T. Boone Pickens, wants to subsidize the replacement of America's buses and large trucks with ones that run on natural gas. Building infrastructure for vehicle fleets that travel along particular routes and refuel at predictable intervals is much cheaper - in fact, such a network already exists along major interstates in California and other western states.
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Tue 11 Jan 2011, 18:00:31

Natural-Gas Vehicles On The Road To Acceptance

http://www.cnbc.com/id/40794709

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith nearly 12 million vehicles around the world running on compressed natural gas these days, but only 120,000 of them in the U.S., opportunity looms in a country that is weary of expensive crude oil from increasingly unfriendly nations and home to a vast supply of natural gas.

“Without question, natural gas will allow our country to transition our transportation system away from expensive and carbon-heavy gasoline and diesel towards carbon-light, affordable American produced natural gas,” says Aubrey K. McClendon, CEO of Chesapeake Energy.
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Unread postby TheAntiDoomer » Tue 11 Jan 2011, 18:15:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheAntiDoomer', '[')b]Natural-Gas Vehicles On The Road To Acceptance

http://www.cnbc.com/id/40794709

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith nearly 12 million vehicles around the world running on compressed natural gas these days, but only 120,000 of them in the U.S., opportunity looms . . .
I'll bet there are less than 120 goat carts in the US, but that is no reason to assume that we'll see a spike in goat-cart purchases anytime soon.


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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Unread postby copious.abundance » Fri 21 Jan 2011, 00:36:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Y')ou don't see the problem here? That the poorest countries need natural gas because they are poor, and can't afford gasoline and diesel? That natural gas is a lousy substitute for gasoline and diesel. Have you considered this?

If that is true, then you must believe the US will transition to natural gas, because, after all, you keep telling me the US economy will never recover and Americans will get poorer and poorer. This will force them to use an inferior fuel such as natural gas because they cannot afford gasoline and diesel anymore. Correct?
Stuff for doomers to contemplate:
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1190117.html#p1190117
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1193930.html#p1193930
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1206767.html#p1206767
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Unread postby JRP3 » Fri 28 Jan 2011, 22:15:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JRP3', 'T')hat looks very similar to the constraints of the current crop of EV's coming out, though electrical outlets are far more prevalent than CNG stations.
So who cares that no parking lot in the United States has plugs?

But every home and business does. Vehicles spend more time parked than in motion, giving them plenty of time to charge. Eventually reality will force people to realize they don't really need the ability to travel endlessly on a whim, especially when cheap gas no longer exists, and they'll be quite happy to put up with limited range in exchange for the ability to go to work and the store cheaply in their limited range EV.
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Unread postby JRP3 » Sat 29 Jan 2011, 10:55:45

So a home without a garage can't charge an EV? Good thing no one told me that when I plugged my car into an outlet on the side of my house. Took me about an hour to install a circuit breaker, drill a hole, run the wire, and mount the outlet. I guess no other homeowner or business could do the same either. Jeez.
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Unread postby Xenophobe » Sat 29 Jan 2011, 11:00:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JRP3', 'S')o a home without a garage can't charge an EV? Good thing no one told me that when I plugged my car into an outlet on the side of my house. Took me about an hour to install a circuit breaker, drill a hole, run the wire, and mount the outlet. I guess no other homeowner or business could do the same either. Jeez.


The person to whom you are responding is not to be taken seriously. And is the author of the quote in my sig line as well. Pretending everything is impossible is how he maintains his zealotry.
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Unread postby JRP3 » Sat 29 Jan 2011, 11:36:56

I've always enjoyed pstarr's "can't do" attitude.
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Unread postby Xenophobe » Sat 29 Jan 2011, 11:46:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JRP3', 'I')'ve always enjoyed pstarr's "can't do" attitude.


Amazingly consistent, for sure. What's even more amusing are his attempts to rewrite factual information in the hopes others don't notice...assuming he even knows he's wrong of course, the reasons for his disconnects from reality are unknown.

On topic, I offered to find him one of these since they are sold locally on the used car market:
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but he pretended that they couldn't be refueled because the manufacturer of the compressor unit wasn't around any more. Like some of us can't build that setup from scraps laying around the garage! The power of can't!
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Unread postby Maddog78 » Sat 29 Jan 2011, 11:53:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JRP3', 'I')'ve always enjoyed pstarr's "can't do" attitude.



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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Unread postby JRP3 » Sat 29 Jan 2011, 14:47:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')But don't tell me your homebuilt EV is practical or even possible for most American families.
Why not? Most American families have more than one vehicle, no reason one of them can't be an EV.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Do you commute in your EV?
Every day except during winter, not because it's an EV but because it's a sports car. * Wouldn't drive an ICE sports car in the winter either.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Will you charge it in the rain?
Sure, why not? $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')What is the range? How many miles do you put on the EV in a year?
50 miles when it's warm, 40 miles when it's cold. Just put it on the road last year so about 5K miles, expect more next year, but I do drive less than the average American.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Do you have a backup ICE?Yes, as mentioned, like most families.
EV's don't have to work for everyone in every situation for them to work and make a difference. As batteries continue to improve as they are and faster charging stations continue to roll out as they are EV's become more practical for more and more people. Electric motors are so efficient and the fuel sources for electricity allow so much variety they seem the obvious choice going forward wherever practical. Yes people may not be able to drive hundreds of miles on a whim. Too bad.

*To avoid any confusion the EV I'm referring to is not my AMPhibian, but my Fiero http://www.evalbum.com/3156
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Re: Natural Gas Vehicles

Unread postby Xenophobe » Sat 29 Jan 2011, 18:29:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')You should know by now that both Honda (and the company that bought the home-compressor system from Honda) both got out of the business? You loose. :-x


Yes...I must be loose. 8O 8O

Honda didn't get out of the business. Pay attention. Read a newspaper. Peek out from under the rock more often.

Now run off and build your own CNG powered Honda Civic....

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-gx/
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