[diemos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', '
')Yes Cog...tell us what happens! Im all ears! Maybe deMolay will answer if you can't.

[Livewire713]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', '
')Yes Cog...tell us what happens! Im all ears! Maybe deMolay will answer if you can't.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')
Limiting companies to a 1,000 or fewer employees would be neither productive or practical

[Cog]

But since I have a lot of closet Marxists who want my opinion, I will venture forth.

These poor aren't going to work until they don't have a choice. Only then will they work. And they will do the least amount of work possible at the lowest acceptable level of performance. Why is that? Is it cultural? Do they not have ambition genes Who cares? It is what it is, and neither you or me is going to change it by showing them how good it is to strive for sustainability and low debt. You want to whine about the rich and cry about your situation. Then improve your situation and adapt. If you think its bad now just wait until the down-slope of peak oil. You will have a great deal to whine about then. You call yourself preppers and survivalists? You don't have a frigging clue.

If you are still whining about rich people over the last 40 years and didn't do anything to improve your situation, which coincides with the peak of the oil age and all the easy-to-get riches that entailed, you didn't want it. Simple as that.

Stop kidding yourself.

Your average poor person doesn't want to make something better of themselves.They don't want to get a college degree.They don't want to work 40 hours a week. They don't want a house with a picket fence. What they do want is to continue to suck the government teat as their parents did and as they hope their children will. If you want to pay for sloth do it and you have my blessing. But don't invite me down into your socialist hell thinking the rich somehow created poor people by their mere existence.

[Livewire713]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'B')ut since I have a lot of closet Marxists who want my opinion, I will venture forth.

These poor aren't going to work until they don't have a choice. Only then will they work. And they will do the least amount of work possible at the lowest acceptable level of performance. Why is that? Is it cultural? Do they not have ambition genes Who cares? It is what it is, and neither you or me is going to change it by showing them how good it is to strive for sustainability and low debt. You want to whine about the rich and cry about your situation. Then improve your situation and adapt. If you think its bad now just wait until the down-slope of peak oil. You will have a great deal to whine about then. You call yourself preppers and survivalists? You don't have a frigging clue.

If you are still whining about rich people over the last 40 years and didn't do anything to improve your situation, which coincides with the peak of the oil age and all the easy-to-get riches that entailed, you didn't want it. Simple as that.

Stop kidding yourself.

Your average poor person doesn't want to make something better of themselves.They don't want to get a college degree.They don't want to work 40 hours a week. They don't want a house with a picket fence. What they do want is to continue to suck the government teat as their parents did and as they hope their children will. If you want to pay for sloth do it and you have my blessing. But don't invite me down into your socialist hell thinking the rich somehow created poor people by their mere existence.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Livewire713', '
')
Not total BS, maybe 75% BS.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')
"Children from low-income families have only a 1 percent chance of reaching the top 5 percent of the income distribution, versus children of the rich who have about a 22 percent chance...

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'B')ut since I have a lot of closet Marxists who want my opinion, I will venture forth.

These poor aren't going to work until they don't have a choice. Only then will they work. And they will do the least amount of work possible at the lowest acceptable level of performance. Why is that? Is it cultural? Do they not have ambition genes Who cares? It is what it is, and neither you or me is going to change it by showing them how good it is to strive for sustainability and low debt. You want to whine about the rich and cry about your situation. Then improve your situation and adapt. If you think its bad now just wait until the down-slope of peak oil. You will have a great deal to whine about then. You call yourself preppers and survivalists? You don't have a frigging clue.

If you are still whining about rich people over the last 40 years and didn't do anything to improve your situation, which coincides with the peak of the oil age and all the easy-to-get riches that entailed, you didn't want it. Simple as that.

Stop kidding yourself.

Your average poor person doesn't want to make something better of themselves.They don't want to get a college degree.They don't want to work 40 hours a week. They don't want a house with a picket fence. What they do want is to continue to suck the government teat as their parents did and as they hope their children will. If you want to pay for sloth do it and you have my blessing. But don't invite me down into your socialist hell thinking the rich somehow created poor people by their mere existence.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')
Ambition genes? Don't you mean money making genes? Ru Jewish?

Ain't the internet grand - you have no power over me.

[vision-master]

Tell us why you are such a superior being.

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'B')ut since I have a lot of closet Marxists who want my opinion, I will venture forth.

These poor aren't going to work until they don't have a choice. Only then will they work. And they will do the least amount of work possible at the lowest acceptable level of performance. Why is that? Is it cultural? Do they not have ambition genes Who cares? It is what it is, and neither you or me is going to change it by showing them how good it is to strive for sustainability and low debt. You want to whine about the rich and cry about your situation. Then improve your situation and adapt. If you think its bad now just wait until the down-slope of peak oil. You will have a great deal to whine about then. You call yourself preppers and survivalists? You don't have a frigging clue.

If you are still whining about rich people over the last 40 years and didn't do anything to improve your situation, which coincides with the peak of the oil age and all the easy-to-get riches that entailed, you didn't want it. Simple as that.

Stop kidding yourself.

Your average poor person doesn't want to make something better of themselves.They don't want to get a college degree.They don't want to work 40 hours a week. They don't want a house with a picket fence. What they do want is to continue to suck the government teat as their parents did and as they hope their children will. If you want to pay for sloth do it and you have my blessing. But don't invite me down into your socialist hell thinking the rich somehow created poor people by their mere existence.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '
')When conservatives talk, does it make sense to them?

[vision-master]

They just get mad and want to argue. Face it, they are all about what's in it for themselves.

And to be honest, I haven't heard of ONE good idea they have for strengthening the working class ppl of America.

Cog, help me with this?

[Livewire713]

I've done both Blue Collar (International Paper) and White Collar (State Farm) work and I can tell you Cog you are dead wrong. Worked with plenty of people at International Paper that you would consider poor that worked their butts off to get ahead. They were in no way content with being poor and they were poor, the working poor making $5.65 a hr at that time. Anytime there was a job opening for a better paying position there were always people signing up. No one was content to stack boxes, everyone wanted in the pressroom where you could make a livable wage. Working in the pressroom was not a easy job either. Standing on your feet all day, mandatory overtime, dirty and dangerous work. While I worked in the pressroom two people had their hand caught in the press, not a pretty sight. Unfortunately International Paper closed their plant after being in this area for over 80 years. Believe me no one was happy to be laid off, no one was excited to get a unemployment check.
People wanted to work, they liked getting overtime. They enjoyed having a house and a car and buying their children christmas gifts. Have you ever worked 84hrs in a single week? That's 7 12hr shifts, I have and many of the people you consider lazy and poor did as well.

[Novus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', 'I')t's important to understand the orders of magnitude in wealth between the poorest and the richest.

Think of it this way. One hundred thousand Mexican laborers working forty hours a week hanging drywall worked two hundred million man hours at ten bucks an hour and made less in 2009 than James Simmons, head of the hedge fund Renaissance Technologies, who received 2.5 billion (2,500,000,000.00) in compensation last year.

What did he do? He extracted money in small percentages from lots of other people so they could invest their savings. For that, he was paid more than 100,000,000 laborers.

[vision-master]

Yup.

[Cog]

And the cry goes forth. If only we would tax the rich, the world would be fair for once. There would be no poor. We would live in harmony with each other without conflict. The poor would not use crack, beat their wives, sexually abuse their children, and not smell bad.

Yes the world would be perfect if we just showed those evil rich people we aren't going to take it anymore and make them just like the rest of us.

I'm not sure whether to cry or laugh. Its like no one on this board ever heard about the ramifications of peak oil. Do you really think it matters who has money and who doesn't anymore? Nature won't care and neither should you. Best get building that lifeboat and stop whining about trivial matters.

[Oneaboveall]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oneaboveall', '
')When conservatives talk, does it make sense to them?

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m not sure whether to cry or laugh. Its like no one on this board ever heard about the ramifications of peak oil. Do you really think it matters who has money and who doesn't anymore? Nature won't care and neither should you. Best get building that lifeboat and stop whining about trivial matters.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m not sure whether to cry or laugh. Its like no one on this board ever heard about the ramifications of peak oil. Do you really think it matters who has money and who doesn't anymore? Nature won't care and neither should you. Best get building that lifeboat and stop whining about trivial matters.