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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 10 Nov 2010, 08:39:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')Some of these have done nothing more then use there house as an ATM to excess. But this new class will soon divide itself into those that start over and end up in a smaller place they can afford and those who will sink top the bottom.



Tough times sometimes drive people to alcoholism and drug addiction. I guess if people become depressed because of hard times and then try to self-medicate and become addicts, this just proves they were losers all along and now have found their true level.

So rather than help them, probably best to just kick them to the gutter where they belong. :|

(that was sarcasm, BTW)
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 10 Nov 2010, 08:56:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')Some of these have done nothing more then use there house as an ATM to excess. But this new class will soon divide itself into those that start over and end up in a smaller place they can afford and those who will sink top the bottom.



Tough times sometimes drive people to alcoholism and drug addiction. I guess if people become depressed because of hard times and then try to self-medicate and become addicts, this just proves they were losers all along and now have found their true level.

So rather than help them, probably best to just kick them to the gutter where they belong. :|

(that was sarcasm, BTW)

Sarcasm noted. No need to kick them to the gutter they will get there by themselves. And I'm not against giving what aid is possible , especially to the children of the homeless. I just don't think that there is any program or act of charity that can actually solve the homeless problem for everyone.
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby steam_cannon » Wed 10 Nov 2010, 11:50:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'A')nd I'm not against giving what aid is possible , especially to the children of the homeless. I just don't think that there is any program or act of charity that can actually solve the homeless problem for everyone.
I'll give you my two cents on that...

I think there is more we could do. It would cost very little to provide or simply zone for tar-paper housing and to provide stable postal addresses. That would be cheap and big improvement for homeless. If there were guarded storage, that would be even better. Stability is the the foundation of society and that's probably the number one thing homeless need.
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Instead homeless life is much harder then even a pioneer would have it. Because it is illegal to simply be without a home and illegal to build anything, homeless can't build or live in even the most basic shelters or live any kind of stable life. Life like this makes it difficult for people to hold any kind of employment and even more difficult to "get back on ones feet". Living like this it would be hard to even store acorns for the winter.
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I've heard people say that homelessness is a choice, but I think the choice is more by society then by the homeless.
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Wed 10 Nov 2010, 22:21:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'A')nd I'm not against giving what aid is possible , especially to the children of the homeless. I just don't think that there is any program or act of charity that can actually solve the homeless problem for everyone.
I'll give you my two cents on that...

I think there is more we could do. It would cost very little to provide or simply zone for tar-paper housing and to provide stable postal addresses. That would be cheap and big improvement for homeless. If there were guarded storage, that would be even better. Stability is the the foundation of society and that's probably the number one thing homeless need.
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Instead homeless life is much harder then even a pioneer would have it. Because it is illegal to simply be without a home and illegal to build anything, homeless can't build or live in even the most basic shelters or live any kind of stable life. Life like this makes it difficult for people to hold any kind of employment and even more difficult to "get back on ones feet". Living like this it would be hard to even store acorns for the winter.
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I've heard people say that homelessness is a choice, but I think the choice is more by society then by the homeless.

You raise an excellent point. Many zoning regulations have the effect , intentional or not of excluding any shelter that does not meet modern American expectations or standards. This leaves the poor man with a piece of land with no legal way to build a shelter on it that he can afford with the money he has in hand. In Vermont today just getting the permits to build anything you want to sleep inside will set you back five to ten thousand. 8O
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby Kristen » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 00:34:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'I')'m a left wing gun owner.


Oh, so YOU are the other one! I knew there had to be another out there somewhere.


I'm another!


This seems to suggest stereotypes are false and misleading. Another good thing would be if people were able to evolve into not always categorizing everything.
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby americandream » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 02:01:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'I')'m a left wing gun owner.


Oh, so YOU are the other one! I knew there had to be another out there somewhere.


I'm another!


This seems to suggest stereotypes are false and misleading. Another good thing would be if people were able to evolve into not always categorizing everything.


Left wing gun owner!! 8O You people are funny! :o
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby Quinny » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 02:11:43

Aren't you all missing a major point. there's plenty of homes for people to live in it's just that the f*cked up system has left people in a position where they can't afford to pay the finance against them. The finance that goes to line the pockets of the w uh bankers and uber rich. Just re-distribute the wealth to the people that need it - ie let the poor live in the empty f*cking houses.
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 02:30:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'A')re there any left wing gun owners? As for the uterus thing: I had an interesting conversation with one of my students. She absolutely refused to believe that there was a cost to child birth. When I told her my son’s after insurance expense was about $6,000, she asked why on earth would anyone pay for having a child when it was free. Either the system resets or the producers are going to sit down in the dirt and do nothing.


well technically she is right isnt she.
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 04:55:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'A')ren't you all missing a major point. there's plenty of homes for people to live in it's just that the f*cked up system has left people in a position where they can't afford to pay the finance against them. The finance that goes to line the pockets of the w uh bankers and uber rich. Just re-distribute the wealth to the people that need it - ie let the poor live in the empty f*cking houses.

I'm sure there are plenty of empty room in your house-- why dont you let a few people in. I also might use a room or two next time I'm in London.
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 09:32:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'A')ren't you all missing a major point. there's plenty of homes for people to live in it's just that the f*cked up system has left people in a position where they can't afford to pay the finance against them. The finance that goes to line the pockets of the w uh bankers and uber rich. Just re-distribute the wealth to the people that need it - ie let the poor live in the empty f*cking houses.

I'm sure there are plenty of empty room in your house-- why dont you let a few people in. I also might use a room or two next time I'm in London.

Stuffing towns people into occupied mansions; this actually happened during the Russian communist revolution which resulted in many happy and unhappy people. However I think as "Quinny" was thinking, a reset where people are given unoccupied houses would be much more comfortable for everyone, except the banks.
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby mos6507 » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 10:24:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', '
')Just re-distribute the wealth to the people that need it - ie let the poor live in the empty f*cking houses.


I don't think the poor deserve to check into million dollar McMansions for free. It is an insult to hard-working people who bust a nut to earn home-ownership. If they get subsidized housing it shouldn't have a two-car garage, vaulted ceilings, and a pool.
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 12:37:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'A')ren't you all missing a major point. there's plenty of homes for people to live in it's just that the f*cked up system has left people in a position where they can't afford to pay the finance against them. The finance that goes to line the pockets of the w uh bankers and uber rich. Just re-distribute the wealth to the people that need it - ie let the poor live in the empty f*cking houses.

I'm sure there are plenty of empty room in your house-- why dont you let a few people in. I also might use a room or two next time I'm in London.

Stuffing towns people into occupied mansions; this actually happened during the Russian communist revolution which resulted in many happy and unhappy people. However I think as "Quinny" was thinking, a reset where people are given unoccupied houses would be much more comfortable for everyone, except the banks.


except the banks and those who actually bought their homes. I'm still waiting for available dates in Queeni's house for me to check in. I honestly do not own any housing in London or even UK so I should qualify. And when I'm not there I am planning to rent my room out to Negroes, Gypsies , Albanians and the like.
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 14:48:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', '
')Just re-distribute the wealth to the people that need it - ie let the poor live in the empty f*cking houses.


I don't think the poor deserve to check into million dollar McMansions for free. It is an insult to hard-working people who bust a nut to earn home-ownership. If they get subsidized housing it shouldn't have a two-car garage, vaulted ceilings, and a pool.

Mos, do you realise that "bust a nut" is slang for having an orgasm? Specfically involving ejaculation?
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 15:15:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ')"Everyone move to the boonies" probably isn't a viable solution at this time....

:?:


It would certainly help in a permaculture-style transition...

Didn't Pol Pot and the Khymer Rouge try to get all the city folk to move to the boonies?

Ironically, with its hatred of elites (including academics), the Tea Party movement could morph into a Khymer Rouge movement that kills teachers, professors, doctors etc when TSHTF.

How many died? 1/3, 1/2 of the country?
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 15:22:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')'m going to get off the reproductive rights discussion because it is more than political ( religious or spiritual). I'm not sure the gun issue is more than political. Maybe it is. 8O But as I say, I NEVER see left-wing gun-owners fretting about the guvmint taking their guns. Maybe we should be worrying about it, I dunno. It certainly would never happen in Texas, even if we elected Bill White instead of Rick Perry! :lol:

<<<<surrounded by gun-owners, and not worried about it. :)

I always wondered why so many pro-Life people (the radical ones concerned with morning after pill preventing a zygote from implanting) are also pro-War (which involves killing people to help business interests).

I suppose business reasons for killing inconvenient brown adults & children (like in the United Fruit or Big Oil view) trump the reasons an individual has for killing a clump of cells.

I wish Rick Perry would push for Texas to be a country.
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 15:25:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Quinny', 'A')ren't you all missing a major point. there's plenty of homes for people to live in it's just that the f*cked up system has left people in a position where they can't afford to pay the finance against them. The finance that goes to line the pockets of the w uh bankers and uber rich. Just re-distribute the wealth to the people that need it - ie let the poor live in the empty f*cking houses.

I hate bankers as much as anyone but the poor people would do the same to the empty houses that they do in public housing projects... trash, deface, destroy and ruin. (at least a large % would) Marginally better than letting druggies & squatters trash, deface and destroy them.
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 19:01:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', ' ') If the fetus is human, you don't get to kill them just because they trespass


they dont tresspass, they are internal parasites and unlike external human parasites they ARE deadly. Throughout history a woman had a 10% and more chance to die each pregnancy/birth. Now if woman does this sacrifice it better be a worthy DNA combination with a chance to be loved by his/her mother. Otherwise, why bother?
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby Pretorian » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 19:22:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'A')nd I'm not against giving what aid is possible , especially to the children of the homeless. I just don't think that there is any program or act of charity that can actually solve the homeless problem for everyone.
I'll give you my two cents on that...

I think there is more we could do. It would cost very little to provide or simply zone for tar-paper housing and to provide stable postal addresses. That would be cheap and big improvement for homeless. If there were guarded storage, that would be even better. Stability is the the foundation of society and that's probably the number one thing homeless need.
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Instead homeless life is much harder then even a pioneer would have it. Because it is illegal to simply be without a home and illegal to build anything, homeless can't build or live in even the most basic shelters or live any kind of stable life. Life like this makes it difficult for people to hold any kind of employment and even more difficult to "get back on ones feet". Living like this it would be hard to even store acorns for the winter.
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I've heard people say that homelessness is a choice, but I think the choice is more by society then by the homeless.

You raise an excellent point. Many zoning regulations have the effect , intentional or not of excluding any shelter that does not meet modern American expectations or standards. This leaves the poor man with a piece of land with no legal way to build a shelter on it that he can afford with the money he has in hand. In Vermont today just getting the permits to build anything you want to sleep inside will set you back five to ten thousand. 8O


so what, if you put a tent on your land, they will fine you $10000?
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 19:40:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '[')


so what, if you put a tent on your land, they will fine you $10000?


Well not all a once but $100 per day of violation adds right up.
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Re: What's the Best that Could Happen?

Unread postby Vogelzang » Thu 11 Nov 2010, 19:55:30

If the Republicans stayed in power we could have another good century at least. :P

Also, a good thing that I wish would happen, mos, is that you take some good drugs for your depression. Try a quarter teaspoon of piracetam in a cup of coffee now and then. And study the information on this website to see how wrong and gullible you were.
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