[killJOY]

{This argument has been split and moved here-jato}

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n the other hand you can't blame troops for opening fire on cars with hardly any provocation

[Specop_007]

Editted, no longer valid to current topic.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n the other hand you can't blame troops for opening fire on cars with hardly any provocation

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') hope your not implying that picture is from DU, becuase its not.

[OilsNotWell]

We'll I'm beginning to see that I'm going to have to repeat myself:

Flash Presentation - Depleted Uranium
http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

And then see this US Dept. of Army video, which those going to Iraq don't get to see:

US Dept of Army DU Training Video
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3581.htm

Second Link to US D.of Army DU Video
http://213.84.233.194/DU/

Here's some more links

Responding to your links to GW2 illness in vets being found, see:

Heads Roll at VA - Mushrooming DU Scandal Blamed
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/headsroll.html
based on this:

DU - Dirty Bombs, Dirty Missles, Dirty Bulllets - A Death Sentence Here
and Abroad]
http://www.sfbayview.com/081804/Depleteduranium081804.shtml


Here's a clip:

Quote:
And what about our soldiers? Terry Jemison of the Department of Veterans Affairs reported this week to the American Free Press that Gulf-era veterans now on medical disability since 1991 number 518,739, with only 7,035 reported wounded in Iraq in that same 14-year period.

This week the American Free Press dropped a dirty bomb on the Pentagon by reporting that eight out of 20 men who served in one unit in the 2003 U.S. military offensive in Iraq now have malignancies. That means that 40 percent of the soldiers in that unit have developed malignancies in just 16 months.

Here's are few other informative links:

Gulf War - Extreme Birth Deformities..WARNING!!! DISTURBING AND GRAPHIC CONTENT
http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

"NOTICE THE SHADOWS"
http://www.denniskyne.com/DU%20Photos.htm


Some Graphic Pictures of DU Babies (scroll down - WARNING!!!!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC AND DISTURBING IMAGES - NC-17!!
EXTREME DU DEFORMITIES

DU The Trojan Horse of Nuclear War

'War Crimes' in Iraq
War Crimes in Iraq

Daughter of Soldier Contaminated with Depleted Uranium in Iraq Born with Deformities
Soldier's Daughter

So.....you make the call spec..you're a parent...telll me how you feel after looking at those photos

You have eyes but yet you refuse to see.

This is not misinformation.

So I'll go one step further... and post a few, ok? With attribution, ok?










had enough?

More are here:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')dditional pictures were taken by Dr. Siegwart Horst-Gunther, President of the International Yellow Cross. Most appeared in his 1996 book "URANIUM PROJECTILES - SEVERELY MAIMED SOLDIERS, DEFORMED BABIES, DYING CHILDREN" (Published by AHRIMAN - Verlag, ISBN: 3-89484-805-7). The book is a documentary record of DU ammunition after-effects, and they were taken between 1993 and 1995. Dr. Gunther also supplied me with additional photographs from his unpublished collection, some of which feature the birth deformities being experienced by Western Gulf war veterans' children. I have asked Dr. Gunther's permission for his pictures to be treated as 'Public Domain' and copyright free. He has agreed and you may reproduce them as you see fit.

DU Kills

[killJOY]

Yes, repeat.....repeat...again. don't stop.

I did hear you the first time, though, and I checked out a lot of your sources. I just finished posting some on a separate thread:

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic7835.html

I'm also actively corresponding with some folks to get verification of facts. I know squat about radioactive isotopes.

[Specop_007]

The pictures are false. Oils can post all his bullshit propoganda he wants, those pictures ARE FALSE.
Its a skin disease of some type, and I cant remember the name of it. The rarity of the disease means theres very, very little exposure to it as its so rare most people dont even know about it. Which is nice in a way, because then asshats can use the pictures and claim it to be whatever they want it to be.
Regardless, it has NOTHING to do with DU rounds being used. Plain and simple. Its a skin disease in its most aggresive form, and a very rare disease at that.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '[')b]OneSicPuppy Observed
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he pictures are false. Oils can post all his bullshit propoganda he wants, those pictures ARE FALSE.
Its a skin disease of some type, and I cant remember the name of it. The rarity of the disease means theres very, very little exposure to it as its so rare most people dont even know about it. Which is nice in a way, because then asshats can use the pictures and claim it to be whatever they want it to be.
Regardless, it has NOTHING to do with DU rounds being used. Plain and simple. Its a skin disease in its most aggresive form, and a very rare disease at that.

[OilsNotWell]

Specious, as I mentioned, you will have to be beaten on the head with the truth, repeatedly...

Here's another pic for ya...yeah, some SKIN DISEASE, huh, born with FUSED HANDS/FEET or a TUMOR in the mouth...

I apologize to others for using these in an inflammatory way, but Specious, you are like a Holocaust denier,...

Tell me Specious, do you still believe the Earth is flat?

When you pray, do you do so with your head inside or outside the toilet bowl?

And, finally, Specious, who reads these posts for you?

Keep digging that hole for yourself.

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m feeling 100% correct. How are you feeling.

[OilsNotWell]

You still didn't respond to my challenge to eat the tip of an AP ammo bullet, have ya Specious?

You SAID it was, and I quote, "HARMLESS".....

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') was assigned to the ODS DU assessment team as the health physicist and medic by Headquarters Department of the Army in Washington, D.C. What we found can be explained in three words: "OH MY GOD".

This suggests that depleted uranium (U-238) is mobile and contaminating, air, water, and soil just as specified in the October 1943 letter to General Leslie Groves.

Depleted uranium (DU) which is 99.8% by mass U-238 is made from uranium hexaflouride, the byproduct of the uranium enrichment process. Recent documents released by the U.S. Department of Energy state that a small proportion of other toxic heavy metals such as plutonium also are present. Although the 60 % of the ionizing radiation given off by gamma emissions from U-235 and U-234 was eliminated during the enrichment process, alpha particles at 4.2 Mev and 4.15 Mev that cause significant internal ionization with consequent cellular damage were proportionally increased. The continuing incomplete statement that DU is 60% less radioactive than natural uranium simply ignores the serious internal damage caused by alpha emissions! In addition daughter products emit beta particles and gamma rays that may cause further radiological damage. While DU may not be an external hazard it is a very serious internal hazard. Consequent inhalation, ingestion, and wound contamination pose significant and unacceptable risks. Also spent penetrators or fragments emit beta particles at 300 mrem/ hour and thus can not be touched or picked up without protection.

It is important to realize that DU penetrators are solid uranium 238. THEY ARE NOT TIPPED OR COATED!!!! During an impact at least 40 % of the penetrator forms uranium oxides or fragments which are left on the terrain, within or on impacted equipment, or within impacted structures. The remainder of the penetrator retains its initial shape. Thus we are left with a solid piece of uranium lying someplace which can be picked up by children. DU also ignites in the air during flight and upon impact. The resulting shower of burning DU and DU fragments causes secondary explosions, fires, injury, and death. Simply: Who would want thousands of solid uranium pencils of masses between 180 and 4500 grams lying in your backyard? Who would want any uranium contamination of any type lying in your backyard?

-“The Child: A Victim of War and a Messenger of Peace”
United Nations – UNESCO International conference, May 24-25, 2001, Athens, Greece
presented by Dr. Doug Rokke, Ph.D Abu-Qare AW, Abou-Donia MB;
Department of Pharmacology and Cancer Biology, Duke University Medical Center, Durham, NC 27710, USA.

http://www.desertconcerns.org/duscourge.html

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m feeling 100% correct. How are you feeling.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilsNotWell', 'Y')ou still didn't respond to my challenge to eat the tip of an AP ammo bullet, have ya Specious?

You SAID it was, and I quote, "HARMLESS".....

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') was assigned to the ODS DU assessment team as the health physicist and medic by Headquarters Department of the Army in Washington, D.C. What we found can be explained in three words: "OH MY GOD".

This suggests that depleted uranium (U-238) is mobile and contaminating, air, water, and soil just as specified in the October 1943 letter to General Leslie Groves.

Depleted uranium (DU) which is 99.8% by mass U-238 is made from uranium hexaflouride, the byproduct of the uranium enrichment process. Recent documents released by the U.S. Department of Energy state that a small proportion of other toxic heavy metals such as plutonium also are present. Although the 60 % of the ionizing radiation given off by gamma emissions from U-235 and U-234 was eliminated during the enrichment process, alpha particles at 4.2 Mev and 4.15 Mev that cause significant internal ionization with consequent cellular damage were proportionally increased. The continuing incomplete statement that DU is 60% less radioactive than natural uranium simply ignores the serious internal damage caused by alpha emissions! In addition daughter products emit beta particles and gamma rays that may cause further radiological damage. While DU may not be an external hazard it is a very serious internal hazard. Consequent inhalation, ingestion, and wound contamination pose significant and unacceptable risks. Also spent penetrators or fragments emit beta particles at 300 mrem/ hour and thus can not be touched or picked up without protection.

It is important to realize that DU penetrators are solid uranium 238. THEY ARE NOT TIPPED OR COATED!!!! During an impact at least 40 % of the penetrator forms uranium oxides or fragments which are left on the terrain, within or on impacted equipment, or within impacted structures. The remainder of the penetrator retains its initial shape. Thus we are left with a solid piece of uranium lying someplace which can be picked up by children. DU also ignites in the air during flight and upon impact. The resulting shower of burning DU and DU fragments causes secondary explosions, fires, injury, and death. Simply: Who would want thousands of solid uranium pencils of masses between 180 and 4500 grams lying in your backyard? Who would want any uranium contamination of any type lying in your backyard?

-“The Child: A Victim of War and a Messenger of Peace”
United Nations – UNESCO International conference, May 24-25, 2001, Athens, Greece
presented by Dr. Doug Rokke, Ph.D Abu-Qare AW, Abou-Donia MB;
Department of Pharmacology and Cancer Biology, Duke University Medical Center, Durham, NC 27710, USA.

http://www.desertconcerns.org/duscourge.html

[Specop_007]

Oils, you were so friendly in one of those other threads..
"First of all, specop, I like reading your posts because, well, I like your fighting spirit, and you keep things interesting. But first watch this flash presentation, then the army video, the graphic pictures...then do your own research on "depleted uranium", or see the following links...and maybe you might see things differently. "

Why'd you have to go and suddenly be a dick? Having a bad day? I can understand that and let it slide, we all have bad days.

In that Flash Video you posted in one of the other threads too, whats the music in the background? I dig it.

[OilsNotWell]

Ah, Spec...

you said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')U is harmless unless you breathe the dust.
Dont believe me?
ANY of us can buy it right over the counter, and its used in many applications outside of war.

[OilsNotWell]

And you've got great toys. I likey.

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')h Oils. I love a diehard liberal.

[Specop_007]

Oils,
You realize uranium is present, and fairly commonly at that, in every dirt right? In fact, I've heard granite would have large concentrations of uranium.
You realize even the Army video you posted support me in saying DU is harmless.

Perhaps I use "harmless" in a sense your not used to.
You realize theres NO toxic substances on earth right? Oly toxic doses. You can kill yourself drinking pure plain old tap water.
From that standpoint, DU really truly is harmless. It emits primarily alpha particles which cant penetrate skin.
So, as long as your not sprinkling DU on your Wheaties in the morning, you have nothing to worry about. As for any Gulf War syndrome, people dont know if it was a reaction to immunizations, if it was from DU, if it was from chemical usage from Saddam's part, if it was from the radioactive materials in the Russian tanks (They use Radium for instrument illumination) or if it was from exposures to camels. They DONT KNOW. So, to point to GW Syndrome as DU being bad is pretty damned sketchy to say the least.
Not saying GWS doesnt exist, but the correlation to DU exposure has not been proven, except to use it to push a personal agenda.

As for personal attacks, I do them sometimes too. I'm really REALLY tryin not to though. Theres simply no reason for it in an online discussion board.

As for imparting "facts", well, theres always 2 sides to every "fact" unfortunately.

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')heres always 2 sides to every "fact" unfortunately.