[The_Virginian]

but don't you know the taxes are for YOUR benefit.

[The_Virginian]

And she took 20 people in her luxury liner to Copenhagen...

whilst Rome burnt:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article16877.html

[The_Virginian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'b')s. Warmongering republicans spend that much on adult diapers for crippled vets. How much does one predator drone cost?

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')emocrats haven't necessarily gotten the credit they're due for the work they've done the last two years, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said.

Pelosi, in the middle of a tough campaign to defend Democrats' majority in the House — as well as her own Speakership — seemed to echo a complaint voiced by other Democrats, that obstacles have made it difficult for the party's message to get through.

(snip) "But you're right, we haven't really gotten the credit for what we have done, but we will take it to the voters and have a Democratic majority to follow through on it," the Speaker added.

Pelosi's remarks reflect a growing trend of frustration expressed by Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill and at the White House. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said last week that Democrats' biggest failure in this election has been not to adequately sell their accomplishments to voters, while White House press secretary Robert Gibbs joked to The New York Times that he hadn't "been at a policy-problem meeting in 20 months."
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/125621-pelosi-we-havent-really-gotten-the-credit-for-what-we-have-done

[Tanada]

I am so tired of this claim by Democrat party leaders that we citizens are just too dumb to understand how good we have it while out the other side of their mouth they are running on how evil their opponents are instead of their own record of accomplishments.

[Daniel_Plainview]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]"But you're right, we haven't really gotten the credit for what we have done, but we will take it to the voters and have a Democratic majority to follow through on it," the Speaker added.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I') am so tired of this claim by Democrat party leaders that we citizens are just too dumb to understand how good we have it while out the other side of their mouth they are running on how evil their opponents are instead of their own record of accomplishments.

[americandream]

outcast_searcher

I'm no admirer of bourgeoisie democracy but even a Marxist like me, way over here in New Zealand can see where blame rightfully lies in terms of the national bankruptcy your country is struggling to emerge from.

The whole free market farce that has seen regulations lifted, freeing up predators to fleece your economy in the name of unrestrained competition, cleary has a conservative stink and blaming the Democrats who haven't any choices (if market forces were left to work their magic, the US economy would collapse and rob the global elite of their military machine and that ain't gonna happen) other then to keep the comatose patient from slipping into terminal decline, is utterly opportunistic.

Certain right wing elements are playing on the emotions of the badly misinformed to further attack what little middle America can lay claim to as members of a civil society. Aiding and abetting them seems to have become a national pastime over there. I wonder what the excuses will be the next big economic ballsup (and there will be another even more painful adjustment ahead, a conservative inspired one as usual.)

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'o')utcast_searcher

I'm no admirer of bourgeoisie democracy but even a Marxist like me, way over here in New Zealand can see where blame rightfully lies in terms of the national bankruptcy your country is struggling to emerge from.

[americandream]

outcast_searcher

I think there is a tendency in certain circles to confuse that which we have a personal preference for with that which is an objective fact. Now if you were to ask me whether I personally preferred the opulence of capitalism (subjective opinion). Why of course. Why else do I day trade other then to live well. One would have to be seriously dysfunctional to not find the comforts of the system appealing.

On the other hand, were you to ask me what the objective outcome would be of letting capital's urge to profit have an untrammelled hand, why it should be evident to all but the most dull witted that the natural consequence of letting this self evident urge act utterly free of oversight would be precisely the things we find.

Civil society serves certain needs. One is to ensure that we set commonly agreed limits for reasonable reasons. With business, the reasons are many but the usual ones of a regulatory nature tend to ensure that the urge to profit does not take off into the stratosphere of excessive and often illegal conduct.

As a political citizen, I tend to draw a line between my own personal wants and my place in the greater community. I give priority to the latter even if it means losing the former. The community after all guarantees the personal. Without community in my opinion, there is no personal (except of course where one is alone on some desert island).

There are real and pressing issues in the US about responsibilty and business just as there are those expectations of the individual. So this matter goes beyond freedom. These need to be addressed, there needs to be some recognition that free enterprise does not contemplate the freedom to doctor agreements and invent fictitious title. In addition, there has to be a recognition that there is a crisis of confidence in the country and government has to do all it can to hold society together rather than abandon it to more of the bad medicine that caused the malady. Finally, there should be the recognition that this dreadful example of market excess has only one real ideological parent notwithstanding who may be the guardian at the moment.

Until that is realised, I fear for middle America.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he whole free market farce that has seen regulations lifted, freeing up predators to fleece your economy in the name of unrestrained competition, cleary has a conservative stink...

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he whole free market farce that has seen regulations lifted, freeing up predators to fleece your economy in the name of unrestrained competition, cleary has a conservative stink...