[holmes]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'I') see the background check when buying a gun now as a form of registration - Didn't the FBI decide to keep all those instead of just running the check and destroying the record? I believe I saw that somewhere..

-G

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '[')img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/hobbles/junk/Salesmanoftheyear.jpg[/img]

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'T')he states sovereignty resolutions in virtually all states say that they will not tolerate more gun control laws.

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
')With the Pelosi house and 59 going on 60 Democratic votes in the Senate how are you going to stop it?? The chances of Obama vetoing are Slim to none and Slim was traded to Texas.

[Plantagenet]

Obama lied about gun rights issues during the campaign as well.....

Oh well....the second amendment was nice while we had it.

[Schmuto]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')All firearms purchased in the US from a licensed dealer require the completion of form 4473. Form 4473 though stays with the dealer (unless the dealer closes), thus it is not effective as a centralized registry.

[jbrovont]

Silly girl. ...because gun registration will obviously stop armed rampages by otherwise law abiding citizens that suddenly snap under emotional stress. And of course the gang soldier that slaps down $150 for an AK at a pawn shop and gladly shows his ID to register the weapon before doing a drive-by with it because he's just going to destroy it when he's done anyway. Or give it away. Or report it stolen. Or sell it.

Soon I'll be filling out forms explaining why I think I deserve to be able to purchase a weapon to keep in my closet? Are they going to mine through my credit card receipts to see who's been naughty and nice and registered all their weapons?

I had a terrible accident last spring. Wouldn't you know my roof leaked, and it went right into my gun safe? Unfortunately my whole collection rusted so badly I...I just had to dispose of them. Yeah. Tragic.

Less sarcastically, I just don't see this as ever working. Causaly, it won't reduce crime. Logistically, a huge chunk of America is a gun culture, and people just plain won't do it. You could force new purchases, but there are already what - 300m+ that we know of in the US? The only way you'd ever get people in the US to register all their weapons is going door to door ransacking houses, and we can all pretty much guess how events would go after that started. I'm pretty moderate, but steadfastly oposed to gun control. However a lot of people guard their guns like a mother bear guards her cubs. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be the poor sap with the job of trying to raid "non-registerers."

This reminds me of the zealots in the MADD lobby. I understand people have lost loved ones to alcohol related accidents, but imposing manditory sentencing laws, stricter limits and more severe punishments is never going to get you from here to no drunk drivers.

East Lansing, Michigan for instance - spends hundreds of thousands (if not millions) supporting anti-drunk driving initiatives, and yet you walk through down-town and all over are signs that say "no parking on any street between 2am and 6am 7 days a week." It doesn't take a genius to predict what's going to happen at 2am when a mentally impared drunk person reads that sign while trying to decide if they're going to call a cab or "try to make it." "Take a cab and I'll get ticked and probably towed, but if I can just get home..." crash. Drunk driving laws probably neeeeeever crossed their impared little minds while making that decision.

And therin lies the problem with reactive policy. Gun control happens when a person makes a decision to use and respect a firearm in a responsible way. It happens before, not after, there's a problem.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'N')ancy Pelosi stated her legislative agenda as speaker of the house includes registering all guns

Pelosi to register all guns

Gun sales have risen since Obama took office, but Pelosi's admission that the dems are going to pass laws to register all the guns should spark off even more sales of guns.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', '2') notes:

1. The ATF is now allowing dealers to keep electronic records, as long as those records cannot be altered after they are entered.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'E')lectronic records that can't be altered? What planet are they on?

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'E')lectronic records that can't be altered? What planet are they on?

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbrovont', 'A')nd of course the gang soldier that slaps down $150 for an AK at a pawn shop and gladly shows his ID to register the weapon before doing a drive-by with it because he's just going to destroy it when he's done anyway.

[Arsenal]

I wonder how useful those 4473's will be when they are flooded with "sold/stolen/destroyed" police reports the day after this becomes law? 60 million gun owners. Even if 10% did that, there would be 6 million individual owners and most of them have multiple firearms, so there would be a landslide of paperwork that would hit the BATF. Maybe this is where Obama is going to expand the "green" jobs.

[Cloud9]

Better yet, in a bankrupt system how are they going to afford criminalizing 60 million people. It is moral to disobey an immoral law when the disobedience is not violent.

It is not necessary to kill a single soul an and we may still remain patriots.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'B')etter yet, in a bankrupt system how are they going to afford criminalizing 60 million people.

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'M')y bet, print the bills, and pay a million or three slobs to go door to door doing enforcement. Print more bills to pay off any lawsuits that manage to get filed by any survivors of said enforcement, subject to a cap on damages of course which is rendered trivial by the resultant inflation.

[AgentR]

Starvation makes people willing to do dangerous things.

[Arsenal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')What do you think is the most convenient method to inject trillions of dollars of cash into the economy?

My bet, print the bills, and pay a million or three slobs to go door to door doing enforcement. Print more bills to pay off any lawsuits that manage to get filed by any survivors of said enforcement, subject to a cap on damages of course which is rendered trivial by the resultant inflation.

[Maddog78]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'L')ook into her eyes. She has a narccissistic personality disorder possibly borderline as well. She is not stable. Thats all one needs to know.

[vtsnowedin]

Some things are better left unsaid or more to the point unblogged.

[holmes]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'L')ook into her eyes. She has a narccissistic personality disorder possibly borderline as well. She is not stable. Thats all one needs to know.