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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Pops » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 14:56:04

This ties into a couple of other threads, how could the DMV remake itself a la Netflix vs Blockbuster?
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Pops » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 15:32:43

No, I' not a privateer either, I'm thinking about more online or more kiosk-type self serve options maybe. Ca went to automatic DL renewals way back and I'm sure that knocked lots of people out of work but it saved the gov a substantial amount I'd think.

You and I both know we aren't putting the genie back in the bottle (oil back in the ground) and the sooner we start trying to remake the system the better.
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Ludi » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 15:40:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'N')o, I' not a privateer either, I'm thinking about more online or more kiosk-type self serve options maybe. Ca went to automatic DL renewals way back and I'm sure that knocked lots of people out of work but it saved the gov a substantial amount I'd think.

You and I both know we aren't putting the genie back in the bottle (oil back in the ground) and the sooner we start trying to remake the system the better.



Ok, but if you're going to deliberately put a bunch of people out of work what do you propose those people do for a living? Or would they just go on unemployment forever?
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby BasilBoy » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 15:41:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BasilBoy', 'p')starr: they don't have the mental capacity to see it. The system of indoctrination is rather powerful...
That indoctrination includes the FOX message: that "real people" don't need no fancy education no science, and academics make people stupid and weak. That is the message of Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, and the TP.

This lie keeps many American citizens angry, envious, compliant, weak, and disorganized. Perfect slaves.

I agree wholeheartedly, but it's not just FoxNews...it's CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR (they're all selling something; some more so than others). It's also our educational system (or lack of one)...we don't teach critical thought. Think about it...who do you think would be easier to sell a Ford Pinto to: some dolt who will listens to whatever the car salesman tells him (i.e. FoxNews, MSNBC, a bogus textbook)...or someone who has real facts and knows how to process information? I will admit, it can be difficult to get those facts, but I think if one scratches the surface, they can be found...but it takes a level of effort. Few want, or care, to make that effort...they just want to ignore reality and never be wrong. They simply "believe" whatever they want (eg. virgin births).

American Libertarians (I'm referring to the poltical party, not the ideology of libertarianism) and Teapartiers obviously seek liberty, but they seem to primarily blame the government for their grievances. They seem to be blind to the fact that it is also private capital that is robbing their freedom. They will lash out at any solution proposed by the government, regardless of whether or not it's a good solution (the Feds do some things right, other things poorly...just as there are good private businesses and bad private businesses).

So, let's just do nothing and get rid all forms of government intervention...and that invisible hand will save us (more mystical "beliefs")...
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Pops » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 16:48:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'O')k, but if you're going to deliberately put a bunch of people out of work what do you propose those people do for a living? Or would they just go on unemployment forever?

Arnie is cutting their pay in CA to minimum wage, they've already been cut to 4 days a week (I think) and it doesn't look like the economy is gonna get better soon - and the whole ff depletion thingy points toward it getting much worse eventually.

I propose to do what many companies do when things change and jobs go south (pardon the expression) - early retirement, buyouts, attrition, etc.
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Ludi » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 17:44:14

Thanks for your response, Pops. :)
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Sixstrings » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 18:10:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')his ties into a couple of other threads, how could the DMV remake itself a la Netflix vs Blockbuster?


Yup that's what's coming next, no freaking job at all even at minimum wage. But hey all this automation is good, we don't need no stinkin jobs we can sit home and watch Netflix movies and order our Chinese plastic pumpkins off the internet.

And then when Carlhole's "singularity" happens, they'll fire all the people who work on the phone; and maybe the new artificial intelligence will be smart enough to make the plastic pumpkin, transport it, sell it, and deliver it -- what would humans do then eh?
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Pops » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 18:27:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'w')hat would humans do then eh?

You act like I invented Netflix just so I could personally can all those clerks at Blockbuster.

Should I just pull up the covers and whine about the end of the middle class and the unfairness of it all?
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Blacksmith » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 18:36:51

Like my Grandfather said, "Let them go on strike a little starvation will do them good."
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Sixstrings » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 18:51:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'Y')ou act like I invented Netflix just so I could personally can all those clerks at Blockbuster.

Should I just pull up the covers and whine about the end of the middle class and the unfairness of it all?


Sorry, was just making a general point bouncing off the Netflix type automation point you raised, didn't mean it to be personal to you Pops. Heck, I've been a Netflix member since just about day one -- no late fees, no lines, no schlepping to Blockbuster, massive selection, sign me up! :-D

But again, as a general point, that's where things are headed -- now cut down to minimum wage, losing their jobs altogether to automation that works for free is the next step. I know we can't be luddites, but it's just a problem that will get worse as tech increases and society will have to address it at some point.

People need jobs to be able to afford the product of automated tech.
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Sixstrings » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 18:59:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Blacksmith', 'L')ike my Grandfather said, "Let them go on strike a little starvation will do them good."


Let me guess, Grandpa was a Republican. ;)

I was a Republican when I was younger, and my grandfather was a Democrat. I flat out asked him, "Grandpa you're pretty well off why are you a Democrat? Republicans lower your taxes." He looked at me like I was from Mars; told me Democrats are for the working folks and that's who he was.
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Pops » Mon 20 Sep 2010, 19:07:47

Not a thing six.

Yea, you're right, I don't know where it ends up as far as what people do for a living. I kind of think incomes will become more and more stratified between the highest and lowest and where that takes us can't be good.
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Expatriot » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 01:52:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', ' ')told me Democrats are for the working folks and that's who he was.


A nice lie propagated successfully for a very long time.

It was, after all, wasn't it?, Bill Clinton himself who signed NAFTA, thereby ensuring the death of the middle class worker.

It's much easier to occupy the rabble with unimportant folderol when you can keep them believing that one party is "for" labor and one "against," despite that "both" parties have been screwing over workers for 50 or more years.
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Roy » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 06:45:21

NC uses e-registration for renewals. Beats the crap out of waiting in line.

The local DMV outlet (the only one within 20 miles) was actually a private company contracting for the DMV. The state shut them down recently due to the private operator being corrupt and selling handicapped tags to people who weren't handicapped for a 'special fee'. Funny the lengths people will go to get preferred parking spaces but I digress.

Nice.

Now the closest office is 25 miles away.
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Pretorian » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 17:38:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'T')his ties into a couple of other threads, how could the DMV remake itself a la Netflix vs Blockbuster?


Yup that's what's coming next, no freaking job at all even at minimum wage. But hey all this automation is good, we don't need no stinkin jobs we can sit home and watch Netflix movies and order our Chinese plastic pumpkins off the internet.

And then when Carlhole's "singularity" happens, they'll fire all the people who work on the phone; and maybe the new artificial intelligence will be smart enough to make the plastic pumpkin, transport it, sell it, and deliver it -- what would humans do then eh?



If AI will be making stuff, and future human labour supply will be irrelevant -- people will be sitting at home and getting all (oh, well, most of) their stuff for free. Beats the hell out of pretending to be busy on current jobs if you ask me. Most of the jobs are already useless or luxury.
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Serial_Worrier » Wed 22 Sep 2010, 18:00:56

Fortunately here in WA state, almost everything can be done online except for having to take a written driving test once in a great while(every 10 years) or make a new license(every 5 years due to photo update). But I hear in CA it's really really really awful.
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby Pops » Thu 23 Sep 2010, 08:35:49

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What is it about CA which is so progressive in many ways that it can't simply phase these folks out?

I'm really not a privatizer, I'm really not. On other hand the CA DMV seems incapable of providing this service satisfactorily. I remember going into the DMV (or certain building depts) and marveling at the people who really seem to take their small area of authority and inflate it to use as a cudgel. I can understand customer service is sometimes a rough buiz but as we all know attitudes DO trickle down so it's easy to guess the level of consideration given to the "clients" by management in this organization.

I think it is a holdover from prior generations where for example, no one questioned a doctors' authority, back when teacher didn't give you a gold star for sitting quietly she gave you a rap across the knuckles if you didn't.

The IRS used to be exactly the same but 2 years ago I made a mistake on my forms and got a notice I owed money. I called to say they'd have to wait till I could rake it up and I spoke to a lady that was so nice is really surprised me. No threats or intimidating blah blah just very reasonable, I paid them before I said I would.
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Re: Need A Laugh? DMV "Workers" On Strike

Postby dinopello » Thu 23 Sep 2010, 11:12:31

Customer service comes down to the individual, at least in terms of how it makes you feel (regardless of whether they solved the problem or not). The worst, by far that I have ever had in terms of the organization being incapable of solving the problem is my recent experience with Verizon trying to get FIOS installed and the contract to be what they promised and the bill to reflect what the contract said. That company is so big and has parts that apparently don't communicate with one another, it took 5 months after placement of the order to get it all sorted out. But, everyone was cheerful and seemed eager to please - it just seemed like no matter how motivated the people were, the system was screwed up.
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