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Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby Sixstrings » Sat 28 Aug 2010, 21:53:27

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Ok, I was really trying to avoid being exposed to any of this. But flipping channels, I just happened to hear this snippet on CNN:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'â')€śWhat is it today that America truly believes in?

We have very little trust in most of our institutions, but there is one thing that still is 15 points higher at the top of the list on things that America trusts: Our military!”
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/08/glenn-beck-and-sarah-palin-restoring.html


Video (fast forward to 10:50 for the "trust the military" part):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX0EJ_GjC18&feature=player_embedded#!

That sent a chill down my spine.. "all you can trust is God and the miltiary" is very scary talk during an economic depression.. 8O

Some good analysis from a Palin watch blog:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o the military is supposed to be the answer to all problems? Nobody else in the USA who is truly "honorable" any more?

If this is not a nationalistic appeal, they I don't know what it is.

This is not patriotism any more. This is the excessive use of national symbols and national heroes and patriotic feelings for your own political agenda - which conveniently is barely explained. But who cares about details: All you need is to BELIEVE.

(snip)

The "restoration" of the "honor" can easily be filled with your own political agenda - which in this case is for example to overcome the separation of church of state - and a strong military in order to, well, make sure that the USA "won't perish."

To me, this event sounded more like "Restoring honor and taking revenge for the recent 'embarrassing' wars" (ideally through bombing Iran as a start, I presume).

The exploitation of fallen soldiers, the "heroes", was also hugely popular in Nazi Germany, as the leaders of the "Third Reich" were obsessed with the military. See for example in this speech of Hitler's "deputy" Rudolf Hess from February 25, 1934:

"You are swearing your oath on a holiday that Germany celebrates for the first time: Heroes’ Memorial Day. We lower our flags in remembrance of those who lived as heroes, and who died as heroes. We lower the flags before the giants of our past, before those who fought for Germany, before the millions who fought in the World War, before those who died preparing the way for the new Reich."

To use dead soldiers, the fallen heroes, as political props is hugely tempting.

Appeal to emotions, to patriotism, to religious feelings, make it simple, don't say to people that they should "think." What they are supposed to do is to believe and obey. Critical thinking is subversive, potentially a socialist activity.

Those who dare to think critically are not believers, they have no faith.

http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/08/glenn-beck-and-sarah-palin-restoring.html


Whew, scary scary stuff.. connecting worship of the miltiary with worship of God, wrapped in a message that says the military and God are all you can trust, delivered by a man who looks and sounds every bit the stereotypical demagogue. And all this in in the midst of an economic depression, and 300,000 people showed up for this thing:

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I guess I should have known this day would come. It started years ago with "support the troops," when looking back a lot of folks felt bad about how Vietnam vets were treated. But then it went too far, and "supporting the troops" morphed into supporting perpetual war. And now, today, on the National Mall a charismatic demagogue has told us the military is the only institution we can trust. 8O
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby americandream » Sat 28 Aug 2010, 21:57:11

You ain't seen nothing yet. As these fleas are increasingly deprived of their hosts, they will resort to even selling their grandmothers. Integrity is just a word in the Oxford dictionary for these things.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby hillsidedigger » Sat 28 Aug 2010, 22:18:44

In the time of chimpanzees
I was a monkey.

Glenn beck seems to be a spoiled brat.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Sat 28 Aug 2010, 22:37:44

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Ok, I was really trying to avoid being exposed to any of this. But flipping channels, I just happened to hear this snippet on CNN:



And you then allowed yourself to be sucked in?

Do or do not do. There is no try.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby dinopello » Sat 28 Aug 2010, 23:37:39

The Crowds Have Dispersed!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he DC Fire and EMS media hotline reports 150 to 200 people were evaluated at "casualty collection" stations serving the two events. More than 100 received treatment, mostly for heat-related ailments. About two dozen people were taken to hospitals from "Restoring Honor" and another dozen from "Reclaim the Dream." Six or seven of those were described as serious, mostly people with heart conditions.


I think a few from the rally are partying near by. There was a "Keg Tour Bus" parked right around the corner.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 00:14:43

Try not to watch that crap.

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Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 01:10:48

I went. I was there, and I guessed the crowd to be 120,000 without knowing dimensions of the reflecting pool. Crowd density was quite low even up front, everyone had chairs and blankets that they weren't using. people were standing beside their blankets, because the ground was muddy and they didn't want to get mud on them.

Later, estimating the area from google earth, I put the crowd at 70,000 to 80,000. CBS hired a company, and their photos showed 89,000, which is probably more accurate.

A YEAR of advertising, people all the way from Texas, Sarah Palin.....

Apparently the transportation advice was done by people who had never been to DC - people either walked miles or stood in lines for hours because they all went to the same Metro stations. Metro could have handled this crowd with a hiccup. The lightly used Greenbelt station could have handled thousands, but Tea Baggers are afraid to take Metro through black parts of town. I guess they're afraid cannibals will drag them from the trains.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 01:25:58



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he crowd — organizers had a permit for 300,000 — was a sea of people standing shoulder to shoulder across large expanses of the Mall.


"Across the mall" meant 50 yards to each side of the reflecting pool.

The "shoulder to shoulder" stuff is utter bull. I walked freely up down and through the crowd in all directions because no place was it "shoulder to shoulder," even down front. In about half the area it was more like a crowded day at the beach - not enough room for volleyball. In the crowed parts you had to zigzag, but you could move freely without bumping anyone.

Google earth shows the visible crowd in the photo is two strips 680 yards by 33 yards - do the math that 44,000 people, plus the people with bad sight lines back in the trees. look at the photo closely and you see individual\ torsos from the front rows in the crowd all the way back, not a sea of heads packed together.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 01:35:42

And the "diverse crowd" included about 20 black people (0.02%) all of whom got interviewed by reporters, so we know that they aren't 20 Beck heads, mostly just people who came to see what's up.

So you had Beck telling an all white crowd they aren't racists. I heard a white guy complaining to a reporter that he feels it's not fair he can't freely say nigger.......
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 03:44:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '.')... 50 yards to each side of the reflecting pool.... do the math that 44,000 people [sic]...


Hi Preston...thank you for live-blogging this event and your interesting posts. However, The NY times story in the Sunday edition and NBC estimate 300,000 people.

<http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/politics/29beck.html?pagewanted=2>

Don't you think there is a chance that the NYTimes and NBC estimate of 300,000 people is closer to the truth than your count?

Air photos taken during the event and posted at Drudge and elsewhere show the crowd covering large areas in the fields running the length of the mall from the Lincoln Memorial to the Washington Monument, and not just on in the small area adjacent to the reflecting pool where you saw them----perhaps this is why your estimate is so much lower then that of the professional reporters who were at the event----?? :)
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 08:22:42

Two women I know went. Both were middle age white women. One is a lawyer. The other is a school teacher. Both are Christians and both believe that God still has a hand to play. One has a son in Afghanistan. Both of these women are southern Baptist. I find it interesting that they would go listen to a Mormon. Just a few years back both women would have considered Mormons as heretics.

I also found it interesting that the niece of MLK decided to join this rally. Like it or not, Beck is a political force. The Christians I talk to tend to believe the government is a hostile force bent on undermining the tenants of their faith. Many believe the government is pro Muslim. That sentiment predates Obama and goes back to Bush secreting the Binladins out of the country after 9/11.

They like the rest of us don't like the way things are going. Who knows, we may find some common ground.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby Pops » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 08:49:13

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')ea Partiers may share the Kochs’ detestation of taxes, big government and Obama. But there’s a difference between mainstream conservatism and a fringe agenda that tilts completely toward big business, whether on Wall Street or in the Gulf of Mexico, while dismantling fundamental government safety nets designed to protect the unemployed, public health, workplace safety and the subsistence of the elderly.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 09:14:43

Pops it looks to me like those things we have depended on like our pension plans and social security have been looted by those who promised everything to everyone. Civil Libertarians and Tea Party activist don’t have to destroy the current system. The system is collapsing under its own weight. State budgets are in free fall. Faculty, fireman and police forces are being severely cut. I am in on some of those meetings. Services are being cut. For years we have actively solicited people to get in the life boats encouraging them not to swim. Many no longer know how to swim. The life boats are swamped and there are many millions more clamoring to get on board.

I am not a Glenn Beck fan. I rarely listen to him. He and others like him are a symptom of this collapse not a cause. Either government returns to its basic functions or it collapses. Triage is in order. Guys like me who have been in public service for forty years are going to have to take some pay and pension cuts. The host is very ill. Government is a parasite. Either it backs off or the host dies.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 09:20:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'G')overnment is a parasite. Either it backs off or the host dies.



That's fine, but why don't the "government is a parasite" folk ever talk about cutting our massive military budget? Instead, they talk about cutting "entitlements" like social security, unemployment, food stamps, etc, and seem to think we should keep blowing bozillions on wars.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby hillsidedigger » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 09:28:11

Neither Glenn Beck nor Sarah Palin strike me as being particularly 'honorable'.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby Cloud9 » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 10:05:27

Hills that may very well be true. Neither one of them may be honorable. If you have never done a dishonorable thing in your life, you are a better person than I am. Are we forever going to be stuck in personality cults or are we going to look at the issues? The bottom line is that government is out of control. Whether your boogie man is the bail out of the bankster, foreign wars, hyper inflation, or oil slicks in the gulf, the government blatantly does not represent the interest of the people.

As far as the cost of the military is concerned, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff stated just the other day that the debt was the greatest threat to national security. Clearly that indicates that the military realizes that the status quo is unsustainable. The government borrows or prints one of every two dollars it spends. It may be true that only 53% of us pay taxes. The 47% may think they have a free ride, but they don’t. The stealth tax of the devaluation of the currency is eating us alive. We just don’t know it. Why do you think every pawn shop on the planet has a huge sign, “We buy Gold”? Anybody with any brains is trying to dump the paper for tangible assets. The Chinese and Indians are buying gold by the ton. They are getting out of dollars as fast as they can.

I have a fifty trillion dollar note on my wall. It is real money. It won’t buy a big mac. The reason we have not felt the full bore of hyperinflation is because the fed can’t print the money fast enough to cover the black hole that is the big bank balance sheets. The damn is going to break. Unless the government retrenches, people will lose faith in the currency. The day the Saudis refuse our dollars is the day it all collapses.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby efarmer » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 10:49:20

Glenn Beck took a turn for the good yesterday in my opinion. He got people who are unhappy and lonesome for something better to get together and to leave the signs that indicate it is someone else's fault at home. He did the same thing that Obama did during his campaign at times although both fall back on scapegoats and
enemies that must be conquered so things can get better.

The enemy that must be conquered so things can get better is that Americans have to come together, they have to become realistic about where they are and determine what they can do about it. It will not be won for them by a laser guided bomb slamming into a mud hut in Central Asia. It will not be helped by a string of political scandals next year in Washington that serve as a diversion while the grifters of New York pull off another wealth transfer heist.

The politicians are divided hopelessly because they are hired by thieves and they serve as their source of diversion and cover. They want the people to mirror their infectious and self righteous impotence.

Beck did something good, I hope the people who left their hateful signs at home get in the habit of doing so. That would be good too.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 11:11:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', '.')... 50 yards to each side of the reflecting pool.... do the math that 44,000 people [sic]...


Hi Preston...thank you for live-blogging this event and your interesting posts. However, The NY times story in the Sunday edition and NBC estimate 300,000 people.

<http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/politics/29beck.html?pagewanted=2>

Don't you think there is a chance that the NYTimes and NBC estimate of 300,000 people is closer to the truth than your count?

Air photos taken during the event and posted at Drudge and elsewhere show the crowd covering large areas in the fields running the length of the mall from the Lincoln Memorial to the Washington Monument, and not just on in the small area adjacent to the reflecting pool where you saw them----perhaps this is why your estimate is so much lower then that of the professional reporters who were at the event----?? :)


CBS hired a company to aerial photo analysis, they counted 89,000.

Past the WW2 memorial, it was much sparser. Nobody standing, you could have ridden a bicycle through there, up towards the Washington monument each person had 300 sq ft of room. This is what they do - they call an area where you could have played Frisbee "covered" or "shoulder to shoulder."
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 11:19:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I') am not a Glenn Beck fan. I rarely listen to him. He and others like him are a symptom of this collapse not a cause. Either government returns to its basic functions or it collapses. Triage is in order. Guys like me who have been in public service for forty years are going to have to take some pay and pension cuts. The host is very ill. Government is a parasite. Either it backs off or the host dies.


Sound familiar? I could have found a dozen more of these but I'm too lazy. I don't like Beck because he channels Hitler too much.
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Re: Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally

Unread postby hillsidedigger » Sun 29 Aug 2010, 11:28:29

"FOX News has always been the propaganda arm of the Republican Party, eager to twist facts and even lie to promote the rightwing Republican agenda. But with Democrats winning Congress and the White House, FOX News has descended into outright hate-mongering andincitement of violence. To protest, we are boycotting these Fox News sponsors.
For 4 years, Bill O'Reilly demonized little-known Kansas doctor George Tiller. On 5/31/09, anti-abortion fanatic Scott Roeder murdered Tiller at his church.

For 18 months, Glenn Beck demonized the little-known Tides Foundation in San Francisco. On 7/18/10, Byron Williams, a convicted felon, got into a shootout with police while on his way to "kill people of importance at the Tides Foundation and the ACLU," wounding two policemen.

On 4/4/09, Richard Poplawski murdered 3 Pittsburgh policemen after posting Glenn Beck videos on a neo-Nazi website.

On 7/28/09, Glenn Beck called President Obama a racist: "The President has exposed himself as a guy ... over and over and over again ... who has a deep-seated hatred for white people ... This man is a racist."

On 8/6/09, Glenn Beck "joked" about giving Speaker Pelosi a glass of wine with poison.

Such incitement of hatred and violence is utterly intolerable in a democracy. To protest, we are boycotting these Fox News sponsors. We join with Stop Beck, FoxNewsBoycott,ColorOfChange, and other groups in this boycott."
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